What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don’t believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
Its an ad campaign to hike up the price and demand for Ivermectin by people invested in its production.
They’re morons who believe what any charlatan tells them.
Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of “natural” cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would’ve survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
We need more natural selection accelerants.
As long as they don’t try to force them onto the rest of us, or deny us treatments that actually work.
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don’t stress science literacy, what people didn’t notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn’t read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
The problem is… funding.
But most people have always been science illiterate. It’s just that now we’re (as a a whole) explicitly electing/listening to people who don’t value that literacy either.
It’s not funding directly, that’s just a symptom in the chain. Governments globally are intentionally stupifying their populations.
Just throwing money at schooling without addressing the rise in fascist authoritarianism will just end with generations being taught absolute nonsense (creationism, flat earth, etc.)
A whole slew of papers on ivermectin reg covid have been withdrawn or retracted
https://retractionwatch.com/2022/02/11/ivermectin-papers-slapped-with-expressions-of-concern/
https://www.the-scientist.com/frontiers-removes-controversial-ivermectin-paper-pre-publication-68505
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658
I am fully aware of the terrible things that have happened with ivermectin, the fraudulent clinical trials, the plagiarized data and papers, etc. The papers you linked to used patients that had already died, already been hospitalized, etc as data points, and various other forms of fraud and bad ethics. Does that negate the study that showed that pathway in which that medication is actually supposed to work if people had actually read it properly?
Edit to add: the paper I’m referring to didn’t claim ivermectin cured Covid. It claims ivermectin treated the already existing parasites, thus giving the immune system a better chance at fighting Covid. Whereas the papers being retracted fraudulently claimed a link between ivermectin and Covid using false data.
Thanks for the background - that’s fascinating. I never knew there was a sliver of reality behind the craziness
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a “fight the man” aura about them there’d be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
probably like to be their own lawyer too
And then all they do is spout sovereign-citizen bullshit.
Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they’re calling it an animal product. It’s sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it’s ‘‘it cures cancer THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’ Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ‘‘supplements’’ (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I’m not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he’s SURE the Vit C did something. It’s like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ‘‘tire store change tire = 20% lower mph’’ so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’
Tell them that THEY (whoever THEY are) are doing a horrible job of keeping it a secret because every tinfoil twit talks about it.
The vitamin c thing probably comes from Linus Pauling and his promotion of vitamin c megadoses.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
I think they’re just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
We are all going to die
Yes but californians first
I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.
No it’s not San Andrea’s fault, it’s Capitalism’s
This old earthquake’s gonna put me in the poorhouse.
That’s 2026
Vaccines turned me into a newt!
I got better…
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Methylene Blue is also fish medicine. It treats ich.
Yes and it treats fungal infections in tree frogs. I’m not trying to say that these medicines work the way that Gibson is saying they do, but the whole “horse dewormer” talking point is dishonest as it makes it out like these medicines have only a single use. I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever. But anytime someone just throws out these minimizing points as if it’s impossible to use things in more than one way only makes me doubt the validity of their claims.
Having more than one use is irrelevant as to whether it is efficacious and safe in a specific other use.
I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever.
It doesn’t, any more than hitting your patella with a lug wrench treats covid.
let’s hope everyone who still listens to Joe Bogan follows Mel G’s advice when they get cancer.
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
While they also claim to be skeptics of drug manufacturers and only want all-natural shit! It’s ridiculous!
See, it’s more natural since horses are natural and it’s used on them.
Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
obligatory fuck daily mail but this screen was posted to a discord I’m in and I laughed then, I’ll laugh again now
🎵Help the people the thing that happened happened toooooo 🎤
thoughts and prayers
This is some of the best news I’ve heard all day.
I guess he’ll get to blame the Jews for that one again.
Gibson hating Jew checking in for duty. You made my day.
I’m a goy married to a Palestinian, but I’ll be at your side in this fight. We can argue about the other stuff over drinks.
A member of the Mazel Tov Cocktail Brigade reporting! Fuck Mel Gibson!
omfg I’m holding onto this one. Elderly mother going to love it. Ty!
A fellow Jewish friend of mine and I joked for years that it was going to be our punk band name.
I know there are fires there, but it sure is a coincidence his house burns down while Mel has a airtight alibi being on Rogan’s show.
It’s like these people got trolled by 4chan and believed every single word they said.
Wait. Can we solve this by sending Joe and Mel a crystal growing guide?
Maybe convince them that they can get pure cat pee and mix that with bleach to create chloramine.
When inhaled, it can cure them of any respiratory illness. Permanently!
The government is hiding the fact that homemade bath salts and huffing spray paint kills most cancer patients.
I have some green food coloring in the pantry. Will that help with hemoroids?
Who knows what big pharma hides from us, gotta try it now!!
I can confirm it will not. All it will do is leak a bit and then you spend years trying to figure out which specific spice has a bit of food coloring on the bottom because every now and then you find a green circle on the counter.
Its like slightly worse than talking to marxists
How is it only slightly worse?
Well they’re both insufferable but i think only one is brought on by lead exposure
Well the blue color actually proved valuable in spinal reconstruction. (AFAIK)
Huh. Apparently it’s been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn’t thorough so I didn’t find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.
Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!
Sorry, Mel!
I’m not sorry about anything that happens to that bigoted fucker.
It’s also used as a topical antibacterial agent in wound care (source: am wound care nurse), but ya, not cancer.
TL;DR: When injected intravenously, it prevents surrounding tissue damage by preventing the flood of ATP from binding to neighbor cell “death receptors”. It replaces oxidized ATP that needed to be injected directly on the injured spine and had other side effects. At one cost: temporarily turning turning your skin blue. Neat!
…ah yes that new Korean song is all the rage!
A-T-P ATP ATP ATP ATP! Don’t you want me like I want you baby! Don’t you need me like I need you now!
Yeah! That’s what immediately came to mind when I first heard the song because in Spanish it’s APT and I used to love biochem many years ago. lol
E: Apparently my dyslexia got the best of me and it’s also ATP in Spanish and I’m misremembering.
Okay, en eapañol!
Don chu wan me laik Hay wan chu beibe! Don chu nid me laik Hay nid yu nau!
Aplausos!
I can believe that, but thinking a thing that’s helpful in spinal surgery then taking it when you have the cancer is… it’s pretty fucking dumb. Like… penicillin has saved my life about 5 different times because I have had chronic pneumonia, but I’m not about to down it if my leg breaks. These aren’t similar issues.
There were so many calls to “Let Mel come back,” promising that his outbursts weren’t a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don’t believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn’t done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can’t come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
tribe of fuck wads
You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
And what about that number makes them right?
Nothing. I simply phrased it wrong.
What’s your point? Antivaxxers are fuckwits who are trying to kill the innocent. They’d dispute that, but they don’t even understand how vaccines work, so what chance could they have of understanding cause and effect generally? And therefore, why should anyone give a shit what they have to say or what they think?
80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a ‘tribe’.
80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I’m confused what this number refers to.
80 million fuckwads voted for trump
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Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?
Amount of people. Too big to be a “tribe”
What’s the cutoff?
100 people.
It doesn’t do people’s argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it’s a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
and as we all know, there’s no reason to pass up an easy jab
Just think of the opportunity cost of not taking the easy jab and you’ll instantly see the appeal.
It is approved for use in humans, but its primary uses are all as an antiparisitic drug. And primarily worms.
Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
Medical professionals who promote quack uses should not only be mocked, they should have their license to practice terminated.
