My understanding is that the trinity from the nicene creed is a political document (not truthful nor religious) and it was designed to be universal(a translation of catholic) so that natives in each land (Christians and pagans) could have lip service that “we believe what you do” by the political catholic clergy who were the only ones allowed to interpret scriptures (or you had a Heretic death penalty) until the political power was secured, and after power was secured, a creed and rosary was enough to keep free thinking in line.

More evangelicals should be this loving, they should be sacrificing themselves more often.

Joke’s on me, I’m into this shit

What is that self?

I think we can all agree Hitler goes to hell, but what I never understood is how my friends could go to hell because they swore or disrespected there mother

infallible

Hahahahaha. Christians wish the bible could be that consistent. He expressed regret many times throughout the bible. How does an unchanging being regret something when they not only knew exactly how it would play out, but even created all of the circumstances that lead to it? Sounds like things didn’t go how he planned it to.

I’ve been thinking about that particular event. Leonard Cohen has a song about it as well that put me on this track.

Now, as a historical fact, back in those days, sacrificing ones children was a not uncommon thing to do. The old testament god in several places tells the israelites NOT to put their children to the fire, as the term was. But if you read the texts you find that the israelites weren’t very good at following commands, and one could guess that god knew that.

So he puts his favorite follower through the worst nightmare imaginable, demanding that he sacrifice his beloved son. Put him through the ringer, of doubt, despair, fear, and sorrow, let it sink in what it actually means to sacrifice a child. Then stop him. It’s basically show don’t tell. Put the experience of the evil of that action into his heart, and vaccinate him against such ideas. And while Abraham took that lesson to heart, I’m reasonably certain that Isaac took the lesson even more, and taught it well to all his descendants.

Is it a shit thing to do? In one man’s perspective, yeah. But to set a people on a path away from human sacrifice, I’d say it wasn’t a very high price to pay.

And that’s if you take the story and all literally. If you take it figuratively, as a demonstration of what is the path to goodness, to people in a bronze age culture, I’d say the story carries the message across exceptionally well.

I’m a history teacher, and the first thing you learn is that history must be understood by its own time and standards, not by ours. The story of Isaac is a great example of what in our modern eyes is pure malice, but to its original culture it was a story that had the function of making a culture better.

That must have been a seriously awkward walk back down the mountain

God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son,”
Abe said, “Man, you must be putting me on.”
God said, “No”, Abe said, “What?”
God said, "You can do what you want Abe, but
Next time you see me coming, you’d better run"

It’s just a prank, bro!

I have dreamed about making a soulslike using the Bible and Creationism (a weirder subset of Christianity) as the basis for the lore and the MC is essentially Methuselah on a quest to kill God.

Wait… this is just a holiday on the med

atheism is normally anti-christian first

Source?

There’s atheists all over the world with literally hundreds of Gods to not believe in. I guess Christianity is the most popular so it would have the most atheists though.

For me it was universal from the get go. My parents told me there’s a whole lot of religions all around the world and I thought “Well then all of them must be wrong.”

It’s expressed as anti-Christianity because that’s the one that affects my daily life.

All religion is dumb, but I was raised Christian, and it’s still the Christian God I’m shouting at when I hammer my thumb.

Because the atheists you see a lot in internet have grown up being brainwashed by Christian bullshit, it builds a special hatred.

Don’t get me wrong I think most other religions are the exact same bullshit, but for Christianity I have deep hatred for

Not all religions are theistic. Buddhism is an atheistic religion, for example.

If you want to get technical, its the abrahamic god, and 2/3 of the worlds religions can trace their roots to the old testimate/torah. Having no horse in the race and throwing that line into a room of people with multiple faiths is a funny thing to watch them graple with.

“Yall follow the same magic dude in the sky (he’s a dick) and read the same books with diffrent patch notes, stop being dicks to eachother”

[Sits down in the corner with a bucket of popcorn]

Wdym 'anti christian first"? this is Lemmy and people here are mostly from the US… I’m not ex-Christian…

I mean, all Abrahamic religions share similar story beats.

Well, we’re English.

Of all the major organized religions I really think Islam is the most deserving of criticism. But it seems like a lot of “atheists” from the US were raised among Christians from whom they are rebelling. As part of this, they align themselves strongly with left/progressive ideals. Those same ideals are to be inclusive and tolerant of different people and cultures, which includes Islam. So opposing Islam goes against this, and likely aligns with the prejudices of those same Christian’s they hate so much.

But is he his own grandpa? 🤔

Yes but god created Mary, he’s the Heavenly Father, which is also Jesus. So it’s a chicken and the egg thing, is Jesus Mary’s Heavenly Father or is she his mum?

Heyyyyyyy

Whats up Oedipus