State department: the guy on the right is clearly not guilty. There is clearly not enough evidence he committed even a single crime. No we do not want to see your evidence. Only evidence we collect and find convenient counts.
Also state deprment: jury must never abuse their powaaahs! You cannot rule Luigi not guilty because it is convenient!
More countries should follow Ireland and Poland. They recognized the ICC judgement for Ben and his backward insanity.
Instead of denying the label “terrorist”, we should embrace and normalize it. It was always a rhetorical weapon for the status-quo, and we have the power to take that away.
The GOP has already done some of the legwork on that with their “We are all domestic terrorists” stunt.
He hasnt been convicted of being a terrorist, don’t jump the… gun
That’s right, remember everyone, jury nullification
To be fair , only one of them is under united states juristiction
While I see your point to a degree, that Netenyahu pic should really be a picture of Biden standing next to netenyahu, because thats the reality of it, right. This renders US jurisdiction irrelevant. Netenyahu, Biden, and Putin too are rogue actors who shouldnt ever be allowed to travel beyond their countries borders again. If caught they should be rendered to the hague for war crimes.
Criminals dont get to set a personally convenient standard for what justice is. the US and Israel both ratified the geneva conventions, so they are bound by it.
That would make sense if international politics were any more than thinly veiled terrorism itself. The whole UN thing is an exercise in manufacturing legitimacy, and the fact people actually think that there is a world in which it holds the most powerful actors to account proves that it’s worked.
They are a mafia with a protection racket, very little more.
That would make sense if
I’ll take your comment as merely cynical rather than an attempt to deny the case against Biden and Netenyahu. Theres nothing any better out there than the Un at the moment. And genocide is genocide. The fact that its being discussed in the UN --which you say has merely manufactured legitimacy-- doesnt make Israels murders any less of a crime against humanity. And for Biden, a blatant criminal enterprise violating many US laws, that he should absolutely see prison time for. He’s going to be in the history books as a war criminal and theres not much anyone can do about that now.
Of course they’re crimes against humanity, I’m not trying to undermine anything, I just don’t understand where people think any prosecution like this would meaningfully come from. Like there needs to be a realistic understanding of what can happen, and this is power politics.
The US is a permanent member of the UN security council, they can veto anything the UN wants to do, and it’s set up that way to ensure it can’t go against any of the big 5’s interests. That alone should destroy the UN’s legitimacy, but corporate media and the political class prop it up and make people think that it’s this place where the big issues are discussed reasonably and rationally. It isn’t.
No court can prosecute anyone unless it has the power to enforce its rulings, and the UN just doesn’t have that.
Look up the Hague Invasion Act. The US has stated, as a matter of law, that it will invade the Hague if they ever try to prosecute any US service member. Do you really need me to break down what that means for the concept of international law? If you’re going to call anything cynical, that is cynical. If the UN is the best that exists, then that just means that our current system has no justice.
The ability to solve this problem will come from people organising resistance, not from states, not from courts of law, not from some big in-control powerful body stepping in to help us. We help us.
Ehh Leahy law.
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Oh go fuck yourself
you may have a case of blindness worse than my school ThinkPad’s scratched up camera, because if you merely read the first 3 words of the title, them being “US judicial logic”, you would’ve realised how off-base your comment is.
As a person with glasses myself, it seems you might need to seek an optometrist, just a thought.
Picture shows anti-Semitism. Without the picture having to show it, it also means siding with terrorists, rapists, etc. and being against any form of democracy and religion that thinks differently. This anti-Semitism is disgusting and the way it is defended is even more disgusting. You animals have completely lost your humanity… Picture shows 2 non-terrorist. This meme is pure antisemitism. ( even trump would make more sense on the right picture)
So it’s antisemitism to criticize political actions, which lead to genocide, rape, and piles of dead children, huh?
TIL…You call political actions that protect against genocide, which the terrorist Palestinians want to carry out against Jews (not Zionists), terror? So you defend child molesters etc? So you celebrate the Palestinian attack on democratic values in the West within the West? So you want to see millions of dead Jews to make you happy? Misanthropic sick terrorist believer that’s all you are.
Looks like in your world there’s only black and white and you can’t seem to fathom that self-defense needs to have limits. Am I right?
I guess you’re one of the apparently countless drumpfs? And also Misanthropist, as you’re obviously for war crimes…
Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination of Jews based on their nationality.
No sane person holds anything against Jews, or supports violence against them. Some actual antisemites do, but they are in the tiny minority.
What people mostly stand against is the violence perpetrated by the Israeli army on the land of Palestine.
Israel has all the capacity to defend its citizens; yet Israeli army went way beyond defence or retaliation, into the territory of indiscriminate razing of everyone and everything, women, children, and sick, homes and hospitals. The state of Israel is accountable for enormous amounts of recorded human rights and law of war violations, and that’s the key reason nearly all of the international community took the side of defending Palestine. Should Palestine have the capacity and will to do the same to Israelis at the same scale, the international opinion would reverse.
However, as Israel has to gain public support, which is hard to do when you’re commiting genocide, the government and its allies (mainly US and UK, both of whom have strategic interests in Israeli expansion) decided to adopt the rhetoric of antisemitism as something that would virtually put you along the lines of Nazis should you try and challenge their notion. No, Nazis were actual antisemites and pursued to eliminate Jews; the international community wants to put an end to the genocide of Palestinian Arabs, while rejecting any hostility directed against Jews.
Wishing to eliminate one nationality to make safer room for the other, as well as “bringing in the correct values” by means of violence is a bloodthirsty and dangerous fantasy historically proven again and again to lead to terrible outcomes while multiplying suffering; yet by some it is understood for the very imagined and unrealistic scenario of falling Israel, but ignored while Palestine is actively razed by a hostile force of a much greater scale, ignoring all international treaties.
Cry me a river with your propaganda shit. Try hard in defend terrorist genocide rapist child molesters etc. Was you happy the first year Israeli did not attacked and so much got killed? Its against Jews in general and you will defend the genocide. So disgusting
Wow this is some extra level of dull…
Its pretty telling to all of us that talking about complying with the geneva conventions = terrorism to you.
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So in your opinion the thousands of dead children and other civilians in Gaza are ‘terrorists rapists child molesters’ who don’t deserve human rights?
I’m baffled how you can understand that the Russian/Putin’s attack on Ukraine is wrong, but fail to see the parallel between that and what Israel does and what Netanyahu is responsible for.
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If Brian Thompson had been a black man on the subway, Luigi Mangione would be a right-wing celebrity right now.
He still is a right wing celebrity, but for the outlaw country set. He bagged himself a rich man north of Richmond!
He bagged himself a rich man north of Richmond!
Excited to hear his name included in the remix.
I have yet to see mass adoption of “Luigi is a terrorist” amongst the US population. In fact, quite the opposite.
The real hero is…WTF. How come we don’t provide Luigi with billions in armament to see if he can take down the healthcare monopoly?
The war against high healthcare cost. Sounds reasonable to me. Like the first retaliation strike against Palestine seemed reasonable to me. But then Nathan Yahoo kept going and by the third day I was like dude WTF! But what did we do? We kept helping! WTF again! Then it was kids getting followed by drones and blown up to pieces. WTF!
Now Luigi comes along and fights against something that actually makes a difference for us the regular people and he gets to become the incarcerated person? The criminal? This is wrong. I hope Trump pardons Luigi. If not because Trump wants to do the opposite of what Democrats do, then maybe because the syphilis is eating his remaining brain cells. If he did, he would probably win the public like no one has ever bigly won the public ever before by gerrymandering the fuck out of every county. It’s a great middle finger to be given where I would care that it happened.
Not likely. In an interview, Trump said people supporting Luigi is a “sickness.” Which makes sense, because he’s entirely disconnected from reality.
Yes, but the legal system does not act on the whims of mass adoption. It’s like that mom in Florida who got slapped with terrorism charges for telling blue cross blue shield the deny, defend, depose line over the phone. The harsh crimes are there to chill anyone who might step out of line.
Yes, but the legal system does not act on the whims of mass adoption.
Locke and Rousseau want to know your location
I feel like we, as a society, should agree on a set of rules and laws, that we adhere to in order to ensure acceptable conduct and behavior.
Almost like a contract of sorts, one that is socially acceptable…
iirc she didnt get terrorism charges, but she did get charged with some bullshit
You’re omitting the part where she said, “You people are next.” That makes it a terroristic threat.
Peasant brain mentality.
If she said, “I’m going to come kill you.” That would be a threat. Her saying, “actions like what you are doing have gotten people like you killed” or even “you deserve to be killed” are just observations, warnings at most, but not threats.
You seem to forget that mass shootings are an almost daily occurrence in this country.
Quoting an assassin, then telling a call center worker that they’ll all be next should only ever be taken as a threat.
If she had said, “Your company’s actions might cause someone to commit further violence,” this wouldn’t have been news, but there is no reality where her statement alone should be taken as just an observation.
She intended to make the person on the other end of the line and the people they work with afraid, and that’s a crime.
Those people probably didn’t even directly work for UHC, so it’s not even like she was telling anyone who could remotely do anything about it.
It’s not a crime to make people afraid. It’s provocative, perhaps rude, usually inappropriate, but not a crime. Your paraphrase is exactly the meaning of what she said. There is so much misplaced outrage in this country and this thread. There are people and organizations actively killing and hurting people, and that’s all acceptable to the prevailing culture here. It is appropriate to call them out for their awfulness. If that scares them, that’s a good thing.
“You people are next” is a threat based on your own position of power. A politician saying that, yeah that’s a threat. Some random person saying it someone else, not so much.
If someone has a recording of an ex saying that to them over the phone, the best you’re getting is a restraining order, if you get anything at all.
Maybe if she said “I’m coming for you next”, then that would have more weight. But now we’re in hypothetical land, so who cares.
Obviously a random person is a threat, considering recent events.
I have a feeling that Luigi, a working class hero, won’t be going to McDonald’s ever again lol
Seems like lately whenever theres an awful event in the US, mcdonalds is somehow mentioned. Its like pure evil emenates from the place.
They still do have the best fries though, I have to admit-- although a large fries is $5.44 now. Evil.
Some might not consider him working class.
But yeah, unless they start having McDonald’s at the commissary (which now that I think about it, is not outside the realm of possibility) he probably won’t be eating at any restaurant ever again.
He should have gone to a no extradition country. Not Pennsylvania.
Does that title really require someone to be FROM the working class? I always thought it was more about who they fought for.
Take Che Guevara, for instance — the guy was from an upper class family who could afford to send him to med school. So was Marx, whose father was lawyer with a comfortable income who could afford to have all of 9 children (though not all of them survived). And John Lennon, who wrote the song that inspired the meme, had already had an enormously successful musical career and was quite likely a multi millionaire by that point.
Also, Bernie Sanders is a millionaire as well but still widely considered a hero by the working class because that’s who he fights for.
Point is, my understanding is that “working class hero” isn’t so much about the class membership of the hero themselves, but it’s simply whomever the working class considers a hero. That can of course include members of the working class as well (say, firefighters who risk their lives saving others, for example).
“millionaire” is not quite the same measure of impressive wealth that it used to be. A million dollar “millionaire” from 1974 is equivalent to 5.4 million dollar “millionaire” today.
Heres a calculator if you want to check against your birthday https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1974?amount=1000000
You are a hero, pal ❤️
Thanks, bro 🙏
