It doesn’t end, and now the left has joined at becoming “team America world police”
I’m a native and not till this past election, have I had a bunch of whites kids try to educate me and talk down to me about colonialism and privilege. And they don’t see the irony or hypocrisy in it at all.
All of America is waiting for somebody to come along and save them, but nobody wants to be the one that gets the ball rolling. Fascism is going to win because Americans are too cowardly to act.
Fascism never lasts too long. Inserts famous photo of Musolini
I am on my scooter today putting up these flyers; I encourage everyone to spread the news
I’ll get on my scooter and do the same
I’d love to see someone post a viable plan for America to overcome this problem. Because right now- there isn’t much that can be done that isn’t being done already. And I’ll add that it’s always so easy to look upon the problems of others and judge them as simple to solve, isn’t it?
I mean… how many of you all were in favor of Brexit? From my recollection, it wasn’t very many. Yet- it didn’t seem like anyone did fuck-all to stop it. From over here, it almost seemed like even was totally fine with it.
Additionally, it should be noted that he now has our military loyally shoved up his ass and with them- the technology to turn one house into a crater while leaving the one next door entirely untouched. If you haven’t noticed. We can’t seem to organize a decent-sized nonviolent protest. Hell, we couldn’t even vote this away knowing it was going to happen. The number of citizens that wanted this to happen outnumbered those that didn’t, and was actually helped by the remainder that refused to vote because of single issue bullshit and the fact that they’re fucking idiots.
I’d be willing to bet that there’s not a free-thinking and capable person here that wouldn’t fight for their lives and the lives of those they love if/when it comes to it- but as of now, anyone with a brain knows how futile any fight would be.
But by all means, don’t let this get in the way of all the fun you’re having making fun of people that are suffering and terrified about what’s being done to them here.
This post reminded me of the flood of volunteers from around the world who supported the anti-Franco armies during the Spanish civil war.
I was getting my history from Hemingway so I decided to WIKI it and learned that the UK and other European countries supported Franco. Figures.
That was thirty years of facism.
Apparently your suggestion is for us all to sleep though it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/15270655
I think you might benefit from watching this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz3bDQ14ISg&pp=ygUbZG9vbWVyaXNtIGFyZSB3ZSBjb29rZWQgaGV4
Do you always tell other people what they’re saying? I could have checked your comment history, but I figured I’d give you a chance to answer it honestly for yourself.
Because that was not my suggestion.
What do you suggest? Because all your rhetoric is doomer bullshit. Feel paralyzed? Fine. Don’t shit on other people trying to do something.
You can organize at home. You can volunteer. You yourself can get off your ass and do something.
If you’re not comfortable doing that. That’s fine. But please shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear how now that this might actually affect you it’s so super scary now.
Some of us are trying to do something, anything to help our local communities.
It’s not doomer. It’s being a realist. Down the line, there may be something that can get us out of this- but it won’t be protests.
The man just fired the heads of our military. Do you think shouting at buildings is going to make them say-
“Awww. You know what? They’re right. Let’s be nice to everyone!”
Seriously- what do you think protesting will accomplish? The choir is powerless to stop the church. You know this right? So we’re past preaching to them now.
You’re a doomer, you’re afraid. You cope by screaming into the void. You preach non violence. Now you’re saying we shouldn’t be nice to everyone. Protest doesn’t work. Do you have a coherent argument or are you too unsettled to have a through line?
ROFL… okay man. I didn’t preach shit. But you go on an have a nice little protest.
I hope those buildings are listening.
So no coherent argument then. Noted.
If we revolt the cops will shoot us.
Fascism inevitably ends with a lot of people in camps being killed. Not revolting may not save you.
If you don’t revolt you will lose everything.
They already are
They’ll shoot the upper middle class white people too though.
I agree that apathy is really fucking shitty, but you guys abroad have to realize that there are groups of people who genuinely are trying to get things to change.
By pissing on these people who are celebrating protests, you’re weakening the will of the people to fight back. People aren’t going to want to change when they don’t feel like it’ll do anything.
If you want a fire to grow, the best thing you can do is throw some lighter fluid on it instead of water
I tried to go to the recent protest but my job made it impossible. Sadge.
Protests are like throwing snowballs at a snow plow thinking it will make it stop.
It’s still early days. We need all the momentum we can get. If things continue going the way they are, it won’t take long for it to evolve beyond just protesting
Not if the clowns at 50501.zone have anything to do with it. They wanna control the narrative so hard
That’s what happens in echo chambers.
There are many kinds of protest. The kind you’re imagining with walking around carrying signs is one kind, and doesn’t accomplish much in this situation. But there are other kinds of protest that may well work.
Of course. Not gonna insinuate anything, buuuut, I’m not too sure that nonviolence is the way forward
I mean, I’m American and if I had to pick one, we’re definitely that latter. It’s just that I grew up here, so it’s more readily apparent to me that the conservatives who screamed about muh guns muh constitution were always operating in bad faith. Kinda like how the conservatives you guys are about to elect are operating in bad faith when they talk about how very worried they are about immigration.
100%
The gun-totin, “don’t tread on me,” larping persona crowd have always been first in line to bend the knee and lick the boot of the weakest strongman.
Uvalde’s tragedy is a complete example: 400 armed, “trained,” professionals, all too cowardly and incompetent and deficient in character to actual do the job they thump their chests over.
Every Conservative boast about strength and power is performative nonsense to mask their deep and unabiding fears and insecurities.
I see my name, I upvote
See, now i have this rule also. I see your name, i upvote.
I upvoted it too.
Jokes aside. I realy don’t get why there is so litte backlash against trump. This guy is doing some insane shit and everybodys like: hmm yea that sucks. Thats the same people that allways said that other people in autocratic countries should “just” revolt and that they would have fixed everything allready. Currently you still have the right to protest, but still nothing realy happens. Sure there are a few demonstrations, but nothing that will actually change anything.
Too many are still trapped in the “it can’t happen here” denial that they’ve been in for the last several decades. Some are waking up to the fact that many of us have been shouting that this isn’t “just making it through four years” but, it’s really looking to be too little too late.
We all have AC, refrigerators, and TVs. As long as that keeps up, everyone, including me, won’t choose combat.
Fixing this is going to take blood. We won’t do that while we are fed.
Dude the feeling of the water boiling isint a hot tub
Fair enough, you get out first.
Already out since Bush
Yep. The majority of folks are still far too comfortable to care. I hear a lot of talk about resistance but see 0 action.
Have to acknowledge my own position too. I really want to do something but I just had a kid and bad as it gets, my top priority is caring for him.
Have to acknowledge my own position too. I really want to do something but I just had a kid and bad as it gets, my top priority is caring for him.
This. Plus, plenty of us don’t have the energy after working multiple jobs just to keep their family surviving, which is what they want, unfortunately.
It’s fundamentally understood that the republic is dead, and neither peaceful protest nor normal legislative or judicial processes will work on the Trump administration. It doesn’t help that pushing the opposition party to do anything has led them to bitch and whinge about how they’re being bullied by their constituents. All that’s left to us now is submission, balkanization, and/or violence. Most people are still trying to get a read of the room and aren’t ready to throw down their lives yet. For my part, I’m supporting a California Secession initiative.
Think about the 9 months of turmoil we created after Derek Chavin murdered George Floyd. We are not so gutless.
I believe we are all waiting for the gloves to come off and then… it’s cities on flame.
500000 demonstrated on so called Presidents may. Maybe a million. Press didn’t cover it. In my small city of 300K there were 5k demonstrating.
This is a far cry from actual revolt and resistance. We also have the recent example from patriot Luigi Angioni. Things can happen.
WWII veterans died out and the next generation decided they want to be the Nazis for WWIII and are sieg heiling to their hearts content gearing the population for military special operations to begin.
Just a slight edit.
I like it. I don’t get it, but I like it.
The bottom is John Walker, the replacement Captain America from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, who went crazy on off-brand super soldier serum and decapitated a man with Cap’s shield.
The “average” American, much like the average human, is driven by “feels” rather than facts.
They will rail against “socialized medicine” because they live paycheck to paycheck, don’t manage their finances in any meaningful way, and have no idea how much their healthcare is actually costing them. Spoiler: it’s A LOT.
They will demonize immigrants because it’s easier to blame random brown people for “stealing our jobs” than it is to hold giant corporations accountable for closing the plant and moving jobs somewhere cheaper.
They will gladly feed women’s rights into a wood chipper over the idea of “saving babies”, until that baby starts to make demands (on day one of it’s life). Then it’s an “entitled taker.”
They will brag about America being the “greatest country in the world” and in the same breath, complain that we need to “make America great again”, while completely missing the irony.
They will happily drink up as much propaganda as possible because it gives them someone to blame for their problems and allows them to believe that constant manufactured outrage is a solution, even though it’s really just a distraction.
They spent so much of their time believing and repeating the lie that the United States is comprised of “rugged individuals” and that if things have gone poorly for you, that is somehow entirely and unquestionably your own fault. Upon finding that things have gone poorly for them, they can’t reconcile this incorrect belief with the fact thar they didn’t necessarily do anything wrong. This is incredibly and understandably demoralizing.
I’m painting with a broad brush here. Not every American thinks this way but a lot of them do. I don’t really know what it’s going to take to get us back on the right path but I think a good place to start is by taking notes from John Donne, the English preacher and poet who wrote, “No man is an island entire of itself. Every man is a piece of the continent. A part of the main.”
I don’t and will never sympathize with Nazis and fascists. I do understand some of the things they’re frustrated about. The only way forward is for them to accept that in order for things to get better, it has to get better for all of us. Shooting holes in the someone else’s corner of the ship only makes their corner sink a little faster than yours. I just hope they figure that out before we’re all completely under water.
You described MAGAts not Americans.
One of those is reeeeally making the other look bad. I grew up in the time before Germany really started leading the free world, when holo tropes had them in a really negative light. It’s like mistakes made by Germans 2 generations ago hurt their image still.
I worry magats have created a shitty image that all yanks will get to wear for 40+ years. And people I know in America who are really great people who don’t deserve that.
Lack of job protection
Lack of healthcare protection
Inability to miss or reduce even a single paycheck due to cost of living
It’s winter, and most major cities North of Texas have had below freezing temps with brutal wind chill for the past several weeks
The recognition that no protest in the last 20 years has accomplished anything in the US.
Put that all together, and is it any surprise people aren’t protesting?
And being 4 times the distance from Washington DC as London is from Berlin.
If I were to protest at my governors office, he’d just be agreeing with me in my blue state. And even my governors office is over 600km away.
I agree with your point but as another blue state resident I will be protesting in hopes that the blue states will collectively secede
We had what I call the Derek Chavin moment. Cities burned. We haven’t seen another one of those. Go ahead and research that — we shutdown several cities and we stopped that shit!
Stopped what shit? At the end of the day, what did it accomplish? Cops still kill black people, and most face very little repercussions.
I’m not sure what you are talking about.
The George Floyd assassination was an unprecedented cold blooded murder on video for the propagandizement of racial violence. We have not had another one of those. It took cities on flame, but we have not had another one of those. In fact, please link to a video of another Derek Chavin moment.
Because it wasnt caught on video or didnt go viral it doesnt matter? Your police blatantly murder people all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_StatesSadly — the vitality appears to matter.
Remember the thread here was about the protests having had an impact. The only impact I was implying was that there hasn’t been another George Floyd level incident.
Listen — all our countries have problems. Poking at the US is counter productive considering half of us did not vote for the current toxic imbecile.
I don’t know what country you are from but I don’t see them stopping the Israeli genocide if Palestinians. I’m pained by the list of African Americans killed by US police. These departments are hiring racist, 80 IQ mouth breathers.
Massive protests are happening here across all 50 states. Unity is happening. Momentum is building.
I was at one that I wouldn’t call massive but yes— it is hard to let our non-American friends know what’s happening because the President day protests went almost ignored in the media.
We must be waiting for the avengers.
The avengers are bootlickers. They’d do nothing you want them to do
Be the avenger you want to see in the world! The difficulty with stochastic terrorists is that mostly only kinda dumb people are up for it. I do admire Luigi, but let’s be real he’s a himbo. The fatal flaw here is that dumb people tend to be more conservative.
So, I guess I’m saying don’t wait for the Avengers. They’ve all got Punisher stickers on their cars.
