The democrats and their stupid supporters suck all the air out of the room and frustrate real leftist change. They waste everyone’s time and energy on electoralism only to back stab their supporters. Fuck them. Let’s kill the democrat party once and for all they deserve to no longer be a political party after this election loss. They lost on purpose in service to capital. Liberals can’t get that through their thick fucking heads.
DEMOCRATS WOULD RATHER LOSE TO FASCISTS THAN APPEASE THE LEFT.
Repeat that a million times until it sinks through. They are a waste of time.
Let’s kill the democrat party once and for all they deserve to no longer be a political party
Maybe we should focus on killing the MAGA party first tho. What possible benefit is there in going from “bad party vs worse party” to “worse party vs countless splintered leftist factions”? Your order of operations is all wrong, if we’re going to kill a party, let’s focus on the actively fascist one first.
You don’t topple electoralism overnight, we need a functional alternative first. Otherwise you’re just handing control over to the fascists. Uncoordinated discontent isn’t going to cut it. We need actual organization with an actual plan of action. The time and energy “wasted” on electoralism is miniscule, there’s plenty available to back alternatives once a workable alternative is actually presented. Present it.
The fascist one is popular. You’re not going to kill it when the country was founded on the prototypes to fascism.
What’s needed is a real alternative that is the opposite of fascism and not just fascism lite. Why vote for the fascism lite party when you can just have the real thing?
Again, the fascism lite party would rather lose to the full blown fascists than cede any power to the left. the fascism lite party needs to be fully replaced by an anti fascist one if we’re gonna play electoralism.
The fascist one is popular. You’re not going to kill it when the country was founded on the prototypes to fascism.
So your response to a popular fascist party is to… destroy the only party with enough popularity to slow it down? Bold strategy, Cotton.
What’s needed is a real alternative that is the opposite of fascism and not just fascism lite.
Fully agreed, but maybe let’s build that before getting rid of the lite version. I’d rather fight a bear with a shotgun than a stick, but I’m not going to throw away my stick in the hope that I’ll just stumble upon a shotgun before the bear kills me. I’m swinging that stick with everything I’ve got up until the exact moment I have something better to replace it.
So your response to a popular fascist party is to… destroy the only party with enough popularity to slow it down?
That’s why they lost the whole country in a landslide? Federal, state and local elections? Fucking cringe ass liberals coping and seething.
Democrats won’t let us build an alternative because they’re too busy sucking all the oxygen in the fucking room and wasting everyone’s time and energy. They need to go the way of the whigs, fucking yesterday.
That’s why they lost the whole country in a landslide?
They still got nearly half of the vote, they lost by less than 2%. The real landslide losers were literally every other party.
Democrats won’t let us build an alternative
I didn’t realize we needed their permission.
they’re too busy sucking all the oxygen in the fucking room and wasting everyone’s time and energy.
Again, absolutely minuscule waste of time and energy. The vast majority of voters literally just show up and tick a box. No one is stopping you from dedicating your time and energy to alternatives. Voters just aren’t stupid enough to throw away their bear-fighting stick just because you tell them a hypothetical shotgun would be better. Bring the shotgun and we can talk.
They need to go the way of the whigs, fucking yesterday.
Are you under the impression that the Whigs just… disappeared one day and everything was fine? There were years of chaos culminating in the Civil War.
They still got nearly half of the vote, they lost by less than 2%. The real landslide losers were literally every other party.
The dems lost the presidency, the house, the senate, and most state and local races. Whether they lost by 1% or 10% is irrelevant - it was a fucking landslide loss and all you’re spewing is liberal fucking cope.
You misunderstood my point about the democrats sucking all the air out of the room. They co-opt every fucking “leftist” and “progressive” movement (and all the activism work) so far and then suffocate it with a pillow and pivot to fascism lite instead. Do you think I haven’t gone down this path? I canvassed for Bernie in 2016. The democrats are not our fucking friends and their existence is to thwart left wing activism from having any effect at all.
The third parties are equally useless. Electoralism doesn’t work and america is in its death throes as a nation. It’s about time the democrat party apologists wake the fuck up and see the writing on the wall.
There were years of chaos culminating in the Civil War.
Yeah, no shit. Look around you, that’s where we are heading only this time it’s not going to be fought on clean lines but guerrilla style block to block neighbor against neighbor.
Just remember what the democrats did to Bernie in 2016. We could of been finishing our second term with him but instead we’re staring at the abyss wondering when the other shoe will drop.
The democrats are not our fucking friends and their existence is to thwart left wing activism from having any effect at all.
Never said they were. Democrats are there to muzzle Leftists, Republicans are there to euthanize them. You can figure a way out of a muzzle, you can’t figure a way out of being dead.
What’s your alternative? Where’s the shotgun you want us to replace our stick with? Not the idea of a shotgun, not a mechanical diagram of a shotgun, but a tangible thing actually ready to be used? Because I don’t see one. I see splintered infighting factions. Uncoordinated discontent is not tangible.
We have the Internet. This is the easiest time in all of history to coordinate like-minded people. Where’s the Leftist playbook? Where’s Praxis 2025? Discrete, organized, unified coordination behind a common cause? “Shit’s fucked” isn’t a plan. A vague call to guerilla rebellion isn’t a plan. Who are you fighting? Where? How? Are you just relying on millions of Leftists to spontaneously become stochastic terrorists? How long do you think that will last going up against the largest military the world has ever seen?
Self-proclaimed Leftists are a rounding error in the general population. Sure, people are dissatisfied, but not nearly enough to risk their lives in the streets behind some nebulous aspiration. Not enough of them to make a difference at least. You’re not advocating revolution, you’re advocating mass-suicide.
Develop a plan, garner a critical-mass of support, then we can abandon damage mitigation and work toward meaningful change. Maybe try educating the MAGA working class instead of shouting at Leftists who criticize your lack of organization. This disorganized infighting is only helping the fascists. I’ll keep recruiting with the one hand, but I’m keeping my stick in the other until that shotgun materializes.
We’re on the same side. Stop trying to fracture our side and focus on trying to bring people to it.
My alternative is mass unionization and more Luigi. Gotta hit the capitalists where it hurts.
They only understand wealth and their own mortality.
Were not on the same side. Your plan is “democrats are all we got guess we’ll have to work with them.” The democrats are no longer worth working with.
Guess what Kamala Harris recently accomplished? She missed the tie breaking vote for the NLRB seat, losing a seat on the board that protects unionization efforts two years early. don’t fucking tell me that democrats are just a fucking muzzle.
What do you think I’m doing in my real life? Do you think I don’t have leftist infused conversations with all my trump voting coworkers? A whole lot of them are of the Bernie to trump pipeline (vermont). They are not the media caricature of trump voters. They would easily vote leftist if it was marketed right. The democrats are not leftist and their policies along with Republican policies actively hurt American workers. Most people are one $1000 emergency away from homelessness. Get fucking real.
You’re coming off as a democrat apologist to me in every single comment. I’m not a fool.
The democrats and their stupid supporters suck all the air out of the room and frustrate real leftist change. They waste everyone’s time and energy on electoralism only to back stab their supporters. Fuck them. Let’s kill the democrat party once and for all they deserve to no longer be a political party after this election loss. They lost on purpose in service to capital. Liberals can’t get that through their thick fucking heads.
DEMOCRATS WOULD RATHER LOSE TO FASCISTS THAN APPEASE THE LEFT.
Repeat that a million times until it sinks through. They are a waste of time.
Maybe we should focus on killing the MAGA party first tho. What possible benefit is there in going from “bad party vs worse party” to “worse party vs countless splintered leftist factions”? Your order of operations is all wrong, if we’re going to kill a party, let’s focus on the actively fascist one first.
You don’t topple electoralism overnight, we need a functional alternative first. Otherwise you’re just handing control over to the fascists. Uncoordinated discontent isn’t going to cut it. We need actual organization with an actual plan of action. The time and energy “wasted” on electoralism is miniscule, there’s plenty available to back alternatives once a workable alternative is actually presented. Present it.
The fascist one is popular. You’re not going to kill it when the country was founded on the prototypes to fascism.
What’s needed is a real alternative that is the opposite of fascism and not just fascism lite. Why vote for the fascism lite party when you can just have the real thing?
Again, the fascism lite party would rather lose to the full blown fascists than cede any power to the left. the fascism lite party needs to be fully replaced by an anti fascist one if we’re gonna play electoralism.
So your response to a popular fascist party is to… destroy the only party with enough popularity to slow it down? Bold strategy, Cotton.
Fully agreed, but maybe let’s build that before getting rid of the lite version. I’d rather fight a bear with a shotgun than a stick, but I’m not going to throw away my stick in the hope that I’ll just stumble upon a shotgun before the bear kills me. I’m swinging that stick with everything I’ve got up until the exact moment I have something better to replace it.
That’s why they lost the whole country in a landslide? Federal, state and local elections? Fucking cringe ass liberals coping and seething.
Democrats won’t let us build an alternative because they’re too busy sucking all the oxygen in the fucking room and wasting everyone’s time and energy. They need to go the way of the whigs, fucking yesterday.
They still got nearly half of the vote, they lost by less than 2%. The real landslide losers were literally every other party.
I didn’t realize we needed their permission.
Again, absolutely minuscule waste of time and energy. The vast majority of voters literally just show up and tick a box. No one is stopping you from dedicating your time and energy to alternatives. Voters just aren’t stupid enough to throw away their bear-fighting stick just because you tell them a hypothetical shotgun would be better. Bring the shotgun and we can talk.
Are you under the impression that the Whigs just… disappeared one day and everything was fine? There were years of chaos culminating in the Civil War.
The dems lost the presidency, the house, the senate, and most state and local races. Whether they lost by 1% or 10% is irrelevant - it was a fucking landslide loss and all you’re spewing is liberal fucking cope.
You misunderstood my point about the democrats sucking all the air out of the room. They co-opt every fucking “leftist” and “progressive” movement (and all the activism work) so far and then suffocate it with a pillow and pivot to fascism lite instead. Do you think I haven’t gone down this path? I canvassed for Bernie in 2016. The democrats are not our fucking friends and their existence is to thwart left wing activism from having any effect at all.
The third parties are equally useless. Electoralism doesn’t work and america is in its death throes as a nation. It’s about time the democrat party apologists wake the fuck up and see the writing on the wall.
Yeah, no shit. Look around you, that’s where we are heading only this time it’s not going to be fought on clean lines but guerrilla style block to block neighbor against neighbor.
Just remember what the democrats did to Bernie in 2016. We could of been finishing our second term with him but instead we’re staring at the abyss wondering when the other shoe will drop.
Never said they were. Democrats are there to muzzle Leftists, Republicans are there to euthanize them. You can figure a way out of a muzzle, you can’t figure a way out of being dead.
What’s your alternative? Where’s the shotgun you want us to replace our stick with? Not the idea of a shotgun, not a mechanical diagram of a shotgun, but a tangible thing actually ready to be used? Because I don’t see one. I see splintered infighting factions. Uncoordinated discontent is not tangible.
We have the Internet. This is the easiest time in all of history to coordinate like-minded people. Where’s the Leftist playbook? Where’s Praxis 2025? Discrete, organized, unified coordination behind a common cause? “Shit’s fucked” isn’t a plan. A vague call to guerilla rebellion isn’t a plan. Who are you fighting? Where? How? Are you just relying on millions of Leftists to spontaneously become stochastic terrorists? How long do you think that will last going up against the largest military the world has ever seen?
Self-proclaimed Leftists are a rounding error in the general population. Sure, people are dissatisfied, but not nearly enough to risk their lives in the streets behind some nebulous aspiration. Not enough of them to make a difference at least. You’re not advocating revolution, you’re advocating mass-suicide.
Develop a plan, garner a critical-mass of support, then we can abandon damage mitigation and work toward meaningful change. Maybe try educating the MAGA working class instead of shouting at Leftists who criticize your lack of organization. This disorganized infighting is only helping the fascists. I’ll keep recruiting with the one hand, but I’m keeping my stick in the other until that shotgun materializes.
We’re on the same side. Stop trying to fracture our side and focus on trying to bring people to it.
My alternative is mass unionization and more Luigi. Gotta hit the capitalists where it hurts.
They only understand wealth and their own mortality.
Were not on the same side. Your plan is “democrats are all we got guess we’ll have to work with them.” The democrats are no longer worth working with.
Guess what Kamala Harris recently accomplished? She missed the tie breaking vote for the NLRB seat, losing a seat on the board that protects unionization efforts two years early. don’t fucking tell me that democrats are just a fucking muzzle.
What do you think I’m doing in my real life? Do you think I don’t have leftist infused conversations with all my trump voting coworkers? A whole lot of them are of the Bernie to trump pipeline (vermont). They are not the media caricature of trump voters. They would easily vote leftist if it was marketed right. The democrats are not leftist and their policies along with Republican policies actively hurt American workers. Most people are one $1000 emergency away from homelessness. Get fucking real.
You’re coming off as a democrat apologist to me in every single comment. I’m not a fool.