• oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org
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    3 months ago

    Sure. I hope you’re also against Palestinian nationalism then.

    Also compare the number of Arabs with Israeli citizenship to the number of Jews with PA citizenship.

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      3 months ago

      I hope you’re also against Palestinian nationalism then

      That’s not comparable and you know it. Nationalism without a nation is an ambition. Ethno-nationalism while in control of a nation containing other peoples is oppression and, in extreme cases like the South Africa of the past and present day Israel, Apartheid.

      But to answer the question you thought you asked: yes, I am against the violently theocratic government philosophy of Hamas.

      Also compare the number of Arabs with Israeli citizenship to the number of Jews with PA citizenship.

      Arab doesn’t equal Palestinian and Palestinian doesn’t equal Arab. To conflate the two is bigotry and ignorance.

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          3 months ago

          That’s not true. Especially not when you count the settlers living on stolen land inside the West Bank and planning to do the same in Gaza.

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              3 months ago

              They are not citizens

              They by definition CAN’T be because Palestine doesn’t have any citizens. Because it’s occupied territory denied nationhood by its occupiers, Israel.

              Do you think a Palestinian state in the West Bank would accept Jewish settlers as citizens?

              Jewish people in general? Yes. Jewish (or Christian, or Muslim etc) SETTLERS stealing their land on behalf of an occupying force, though? That’s another kettle of ballgames entirely.

              “Settling” land already owned by someone else is colonialism and theft, not peaceful coexistence.

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      3 months ago

      Sure. I hope you’re also against Palestinian nationalism then.

      “If you’re opposed to minority rule, then I hope you’re also opposed to majority rule.” What? Simply give everyone in the region equal voting rights, as is their right as human beings, and the resulting state would be a Palestinian one.

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        3 months ago

        Well from you it’s only demonization and delegitimization of Israel paired with a gross misrepresentation of international humanitarian law.

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      3 months ago

      I’d definitely be against a hypothetical Palestinian ethnostate, but that doesn’t exist so it doesn’t really seem relevant. We’re discussing an ethnostate that actually does exist, which sucks. Can we keep on that topic?

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          I’m not sure I understand the question. Are you under the false impression that an ethnostate is a state in which only one group is allowed to exist and all others are killed on sight?

          The 20% of non-Jewish citizens of Israel are second-class citizens living under the oppressive rule of an ethnostate which explicitly primarily serves the interests of their ethno-religious ruling class.

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              I don’t know anything about the structure of the government of Denmark or Poland but I will say that I don’t have a particularly positive view of their societies or peoples from what little I have seen to judge them by. What is the point of this latest non-sequitur? Are you capable of speaking on the topic at hand or do you only ever reply with left field references to other existing things or hypothetical things that do not exist?