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But Hamlet was written with intention.
The point in the expression is to underline how critical coincidences are, and how correlation is not causation. It’s not that Hamlet is long and nigh impossible to “randomly” generate, but that at scale, seemingly impossible coincidences do actually happen.
It’s kind of an outdated now too since it was a thought experiment and the monkeys were a stand-in for an abstract concept of a machine that creates an infinite amount of text. We have proof that even a finite number of randomly generated words will produce at least the first 1,312,000 characters of Shakespeare.
Wrll that’s exactly what I mean: The monkeys themselves have zero consciousness in the allegory. The ENTIRE POINT is they do not understand what they’re writing. They are standing in for chaos, and Hamlet is standing in for any meaningful structure arising from chaos.
To add desire and intention to the allegory is SPECIFICALLY choosing to miss the entire point that the monkeys DO NOT know what they write, and that’s critical to them being an agent of chaos.
You assume intention. Fallacy of free will. Whoever wrote it, you would claim had “intention”. But given enough humans just faffing about randomly, one will eventually think up and write down “Hamlet”. It’s the same, you just want to ascribe higher meaning to it because it’s human.
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We think we are able to. Prove we aren’t just fancy biological computers. No one has proven what consciousness really even is yet.
If the quote was “a million microbes”, maybe you’d have a point. But it’s monkeys. Our closest ancestors. What we are one step removed from. And y’all trying to act like monkeys are robots and were transcendent beings made of energy or some shit. We’re animals, just like them. Slightly smarter, but animals. We are the monkeys.
You’re just describing the mechanics of a coincidence, which is exactly the entire point.
I don’t assume intention with Hamlet. There WAS intent there. The entire fucking point of the expression is people add intention when there IS NOT any. By using a situation that DID have intent, it is quite literally missing the entire point.
It is utterly stupid to try and twist a reality in to a different, incompatible hypothetical. Especially when reality is antithetical to the entire point.
If no free will, no intention. It’s that simple. In strict determinism, every action, thought, feeling, whatever, was predetermined at the moment of the big bang by the starting state and physics.
I’m absolutely saying that all of humanities creations are “coincidence”. Just because you don’t like what I have to say doesn’t make me stupid. I know what I was describing.
It was also written by an ape, not a monkey.
Yeah in the same way that Québécois folks are Mainland frenchies
Technically we’re all just really really really weird fish too
We’re honestly closer to the platonic ideal of a fish than some of the things people call fish.
See the best begind the scenes podcast I know of.
Your mom is an eukaryote.
This llama saying, ‘we’ & ‘us’ like he’s one of us. 😡
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what about Hamlet 2?
When did the human population stop being finite?
I think, they mean across generations. Theoretically, infinite generations could follow, with therefore infinite new humans.
Either way, it doesn’t actually need to be infinite, but rather just approaching infinity, to give high enough of a chance for a monkey to produce hamlet. Even just the 8 billion humans alive are already a pretty massive number of monkeys.
But universe is is finite with finite ending. Humans will die out way before the heat death of the universe
But universe is is finite with finite ending.
I don’t think there’s scientific consensus about that, is there?
Finiteness of the universe is not certain, but inevitability of entropy is pretty sure.
This is pretty dumb, the whole point of the monkey with typewriters thing is that they’re typing random characters, not knowing the language.
You’re right, but it isnt trying to actually argue that, its a joke.
I understand it’s a joke, but it’s a poorly-formed joke that exposes its writer not understanding the thing they’re riffing on, lol.
Would be kind of like making a joke based on a stereotype of NBA players mostly being redheads, with no such stereotype existing, lol.
