Ok, lemmy crybabies. Me and my millennial friends all graduated from a university in Europe. None of us were born rich, but we’re all well-off now. By now everyone lives in different country, works in a different field, but literally everyone can afford a mortgage, a car, a ski trip, and maybe for their partner not to work for a few years if kids would be born.

Yet, imagine that, nobody really planned for their career to be lucrative. People just did what they thought was interesting and did it well. Only one dude was after money. He went into banking and now probably makes close to a mil annually.

I reiterate. All that was necessary for a financial success was to find an interesting job and do it with passion. To me this sounds like a communist dream.

And yet lemmy keeps telling me every day that it could only be possible if all of us were born rich, or sucked to corpos or whatever. You’re just a bunch of sore losers, lemmy.

Enjoy your holidays and think about your life choices.

And this image is just a clever rehash of those 🤷

It’s ok. Our fellow Americans just don’t understand the meaning of the word pizza.

– yurobro

They perfectly can. It requires them to make a collective choices that will require individual sacrifices in order to achieve collective gains (assuming people actually see it that way).

And that’s clearly not in anyone’s interest. And you’re one to tell them what’s wrong or right.

There’s no system. There are free individuals living their lifes as they see fit. But you somehow keep imagining an evil monster that suppresses everyone’s free will, while you, the hero, are unaffected.

A vote for a party which will benefit the majority

We can stop the discussion right here. You clearly know better than the voters themselves what’s best for them. In my opinion, it would be the most efficient solution for us to nominate you to be a dictator for life, as you will achieve a better outcome for everyone than them thinking for themselves.

The rest of your argument continues with insults towards the voters disagreeing with your political views “uneducated, influenced by media, etc”. You, obviously, do see yourself as a superior being and thinker.

I don’t think debating democratic choices with you makes any sense. You’re anti-democratic.

Again you’re wrong. It’s counted directly by the amount you watch and goes to the creators you watch.

Or, equivalently, pool all revenue, divide by watch time, get the same result.

You can verify this by constructing an excel table of 10 users (rows) and 3 channels (columns). Assign random % weights of “watch time” per user per channel. Assume a constant subscription fee of 1. Verify that a column_sum is the same as column_average*10, where 10 is the total platform revenue, as there are 10 users each paying 1.

You keep imagining some way how YT could get cheaper for you.

But in fact, ads are highly profitable, and if you buy a premium there’s a very transparent revenue share model. 70% of your money goes directly to the creators.

All your wishes are already fulfilled, you’re just poor and are trying to justify not paying with imagined arguments.

All those things are from a past where democracy wasn’t a thing and indeed you needed to uprise to an oppressive power.

This is still the case for the majority of the planet.

It is not the case in the developed nations. And even in the US Trump has won the popular vote.

You feathering a tax collector is an act against the will of the majority. This is not a revolutionary act, because you’re not acting brave and sacrificing yourself to voice a majority’s opinion.

Contrary, your actions are radical activism. You represent a minority, and yet you so firmly believe in your own righteousness that you justify violence.

It’s a point that’s impossible to get across in this echo chamber. But it’s also why this echo chamber will never achieve anything.

Via democracy or violence, for a regime change you first need to figure out a way to get the majority to agree with you.

What are you on about? You can easily vote for far left in pretty much any of the functioning democracies in Europe. And if a radical left party were to win, they could easily implement a profit cap.

You’re talking about some “ruling class” as if we’re in a society where such bounds exist by birth right of some sort. Anyone can become a politician and be elected to be the main voice of the country’s legislative and executive branches. You don’t need violence to radically change everything, you need a majority’s approval. And, I’m telling you, your ideas are already out there and they’re not selling. They’re not selling even peacefully, but you somehow dream that someone will die for them?

The majority of people in an average western European country want to drive their car and fly to their vacation destination. They also might heat their homes with gas.

Destruction of climate is not anti-democratic. There are green parties in every parliament and they get 15-30% of votes. E.g. only that many voters consider the issue of climate change to be pressing. The others believe things are fine, or that moderate measures are enough.

You keep preaching “evil corpos oppress us poor”. But this is simply not true. The majority of the population is pretty content with the status quo, and if they weren’t they could change it any election cycle.

There’s a pretty reasonable societal model (that scales beyond 10 people living in a cave) that has so far prevented sociopatic behavior.

We have laws and we have democracy to establish them. Whatever happens in your dumbfukistant, in western Europe it’s unimaginable to be able to use violence and physical power to claim territory or food. Even a drunken fight in a bar will get you in a lot of legal trouble. E.g. being a stronger ape gets you exactly nowhere in life if you use want your power to dominate. You could use it to create, and you’d be rewarded.

Very similarly the economic system could be trivially adjusted to conform the societal values and violations would be prosecuted. All this requires is a democratic choice.

The societies so far democratically have no chosen to abolish capitalism. Although a lot of western-european democracies have severely limited the potential for abuse from this system.

We don’t need to develop mechanisms, we don’t need violent protests, we don’t need vigilantes. We simply need for people to choose differently. And if they don’t, it’s their choice.

Ah, yes, you in your default country definitely need a better democratic system, although Trump did win the popular vote, so I wouldn’t hope for that much change tbh.

That just shows how lemmy would be willing to eat alive anyone being able to critically think instead of repeating their pre-recorded mantras on what’s good and what’s bad.

You’re ridiculous, and probably 18.

You live in a country that couldn’t elect Bernie as a president. There’s no peaceful protest happening. And yet you claim violence is the only option.

In reality, half of your country simply disagrees with you. Start your violence, get a civil war, and maybe you’ll finally settle things somewhere somehow.

But don’t bullshit about effectiveness of peaceful protest.

Trump won a majority vote in the most recent election. Peacefully, your country chose corpos over moderate middle (there’s no left in your politics). Their peaceful protest works flawlessly. You’re just not on the winning side of the protest so you call for violence. You will lose this fight too.

Are you shooting down CEOs? No? Then you’re part of the problem with being pathetically weak.

So, then explain to me how long would it take by train from Bilbao to Vigo.

On that map above we can clearly see a train route. Can I take a train on it?

That’s not any better in Europe. This is just a random map of some rail tracks. Trying getting from Porto to Rome by train. On this map it would appear as there should be multiple routes. In reality you’ll be lucky to get it done in 3 days.

Aren’t you, like, supposed to make sure the community is civilized and all?

Always happens in your dreams, lemmy, while your biggest political activism is “trump bad” memes.

In reality, your beloved democratic party are just a different flavor of a corporate bitch.

You need to work hard on starting grass-root movements all across the country to facilitate proper democracy and eventually allow for a civilized political discourse at the parliamentary level where the whole spectrum of opinions is presented representatively.

But, no, ofc “puuuurge elon tomorrow!”. And then back to watching YouTube on your couch.

you’ll have to poison a lot of birds to get a bear to eventually die, and then I don’t think that creature will be really affected by just one bear. So, the grandpa will have the entire forest full of polonium before this works out.