For all of the things you complained about in this post, I already literally put in examples and explanations to prove the points. If you aren’t going to take this discussion seriously and read what I posted, then I’m not going to continue.
Come back when you want to have a good faith discussion.
I don’t think he was more likeable, but enough people did that they voted him into office. It doesn’t really matter whether you accept that or not.
I think you and I have a different definition of “hard right”. If you think Harris was “hard right”, what would you consider our current situation?
I would call our current situaion Extra Hard Right. Yeah, Trump is more right-wing than Harris, but lets not pretend that she was anything but right-wing. She campaigned on “Genocide is good, and we should keep bombing children, and I love my guns”, then campaigned with the Cheneys. That seems pretty hard right to me.
If you thought we had a “shitty economy” under Biden, what would you consider our current situation?
I would consider it shittier than Biden’s economy. Just because Trump’s economy is worse, doesn’t mean Biden’s wasn’t shitty.
You can listen to dumbasses who thought Biden was some awful president, whose qualifications for believing so are their feelings, or you can do your homework and find out that he was actually a progressive and legislatively successful president who passed some really beneficial bills for the American people.
I did do my homework. I saw him bomb the shit out of innocent people, including children. I saw him back a genocide. I saw him screw over the rail-workers, bail out rich corporations, back down on the minimum wage, drag his feet on the lowest of student-debt fixes, and cut the highly popular Covid Relief programs. Did he do some good things that I liked? Sure. But those were crumbs compared to all of the awful stuff that he did.
Have you spoken to an average American? They don’t know jack shit about politics. They don’t keep up with legislation. They don’t pay attention to statistics.
Of course Americans don’t know shit about politics or statistics or legislation. That’s how politics works. But Americans know that they are getting screwed, and they saw Biden in office while they were getting screwed. Does that make Trump a better candidate? No, obviously not, but Americans were mad, and saw Harris say that she didn’t think she’d have changed anything that Biden had done. Not a smart move when Biden was so unpopular.
And you’re telling me that American’s failure to pay attention, like responsible citizens in a democracy, is a single candidate’s fault? That because she may not have run the best campaign possible that it isn’t American’s fault for allowing an already failed felon rapist traitor to be our leader…again?
No, I’m telling you that it’s the single candidate’s fault that she lost the election. She could have run a campaign that addressed the voter’s concerns, but instead she ran a campaign that addressed the concerns of the rich, and the concerns of the right-wing. And “not run the best campaign possible” is a far cry from what I saw. I saw her run an absolutely terrible campaign.
I do blame the people who voted for Trump. They are awful people and I consider them quite stupid. But lets not let Harris or the rest of the Democrats off the hook for their own failures.
The Democrats are still in “Blame anyone, as long as we don’t have to introspect” mode right now, and it shows. Maybe next time they should try listening to the voters if they want to win the majority of them over.
Nah, I think they’re held to a pretty similar standard. They just did a worse job than Trump did when it came to acknowledging how shitty life has become for Americans.
The Republicans ran on “Everything is fucked. Fascism, genocide and racism are going to fix it.”
The Democrats ran on “Everything is great! But we’re gonna do genocide and draconian border policies more than they are.”
If the voting-base you are trying to win over is angry about how things are going, and you offer them a solution, they’ll likely vote for you. But if your voter-base is angry about how things are going, and you fight against what they want, then you probably aren’t gonna get many votes.
No, the Republicans putting up a shitty, awful, terrible candidate that was somehow more likeable than the Democrat’s shitty, awful, terrible candidate, who came in on the coattails of another shitty, awful, terrible candidate was what put us into this mess.
Before the debate people were calling him too far gone. It was the worst kept secret in America, but the debate made it extra clear.
Hillary won the popular vote. While yes, America has a sexism problem, the reason the Democrats keep losing when they run women, is that they pick shitty candidates who happen to be women. Maybe they should try running a good candidate who is a woman.
Democrats do lie about their intentions all the time. I saw Biden and Obama’s campaigns, and presidencies.
Harris was actually one of the most honest campaigns that the Democrats have run
She ran hard to the right, abandoning all of her previously stated progressive beliefs. She would have continued the shitty economy that Americans were upset with. She said she wouldn’t do anything different than a highly unpopular president.
Of course Americans blame the candidate, as they should. Her entire job was to get elected, opposing one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had, and she lost. It should have been a slam dunk for her, but she gave all of that up, for money and genocide.
This isn’t trying to discourage people from voting, it’s trying to send a warning: “If you keep putting in terrible candidates and running on terrible policies, you are going to keep getting shitty turnouts”
No, it’s the Republicans who are to blame. The Democratic leadership is to blame for not putting up a candidate or policies that the voters wanted.
It’s always amazing to me that people will blame the people who couldn’t stomach to vote for the Democrats, rather than getting mad at the Democratic leadership for being so awful that people can’t stomach to vote for them.
I’m not sure that’s true. While yes, America does have a sexist problem, Hillary won the popular vote.
I think the DNC just keeps putting up bad candidates, some of whom happen to be women
Ah, I haven’t seen that in forever. I guess me forgetting is a sign that I need to re-watch it
What is this from? That looks awesome!
Hrm, that doesn’t seem to work. I’m on piefed, not lemmy, so I wonder if that is the issue
I don’t know how to embed images here, but: https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=1356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYFbXJKJ8U
Transcript for those that don’t want to watch the video: Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr. Pvt. Joe Bowers: Why do you keep saying that? Secretary of State: Because they pay me everytime I do.
/me glares at ADP
I use a password manager, which auto-types the password, and I still have this happen to me.