“have things gotten bad enough for you all to see it our way yet?” “no?” “ok we’ll be here doing absolutely nothing until you’re ready to accept our system of power over the current one”

why would i rely on or work with rEVoLuTiOnArY leftists, when the closest thing to a plan thats ever presented is allowing things to deteriorate until people are suffering enough to follow them?

a difference between rape and sexual assult is an argument designed into the system. not because theres an actual difference in the crime. because theres a difference between who each charge will be applied to. just like theft vs embezzlement.

under the american media ecosystem? no, probably not. american oligarchs didnt buy up news entities because theres still money in traditional media advertising.

its a publically accessible server in a juristiction that will turn over data. how explicit and overt can things really be here?

some of us may need a few days between the cries of “dont vote for harris, teach them a lesson” and “now is the time to join us in revolutionary action”. theres some lack of credibility going around this platform and the corporate media sources (news & social) are doing their best to maintain ad engagement. we are all staring down a decade of painfull experiances and it’s ok to take a breath sometimes.

nah i get it, i assumed good faith on your part as well. i skimmed through some threads in that sub and all i wanted to do was start jumping saying “guys just pause a second so we can talk about some of this language”. but thats absolutely not the place for me to do that.

it would be as productive as the guys who’d go into r/twoxchromosomes posting “explain like i’m 5 why my wife left over not doing the dishes enough”. assumimg good faith, i get he’s thinking “ok this is where other women who have done this talk, i’ll ask them”. there wasnt anyplace else to send the dude, so a few people would try responding. but it always devolved into language policing, because not doing so in that space would forfit the sub to the people it was designed to be safe from. i never commented in that space specifically because it was their sub and i was just there to understand perspectives. i was a guest in their home.

people need to be able to use the only words they know with the meaning they understand them to have. before they can do any self reflection or understand why it becomes important to adjust our language for eachother sometimes.

i spent all of a minute poking around. not a topic i deep dive in really. more hoping to pose the question of “hey do we maybe have a space like this?”. someplace where people having a shared perspective would have the patience for eachothers early questions they once had.

i’m not on reddit but a few minutes poking around there it doesn’t look crazypants. so i’ll add it to my comment too.

fair point. sounds like theres a need for a space to have these conversations. with people effected by the topic and moded by people on the otherside of the joirney, who could have empathy in the difficult moments. anyone know of a space? i’ll try engaging where i can.

half joke first. nobody’s trying to meddle in our bodily autonomy, yet.

edit: i havent looked too close at it but the mensliberation space on lemmy.ca may interest you? cancermancer down bellow has a rec for r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates that looks to have another good perspective in the topic. so im sticking it right here with the other.

I’ll try to approach the topic from my perspective as well. my gender has never really be part of my internal view of myself. but it is an inescapable part of how other people will see me, and the rules are always whatever the other person wants. so maybe not the poster child for speaking on masculinity. i’m literally the default charater generator in every videogame, but it’s just a hallucinating meat suit.

talking about gender concepts and social roles was a norm growing up because i did that growing up in the weird outside groups the christian kids chased. any reference to maculinity was done at me as an attack, even when i was doing it according to the rules. i agree, there are few places for young men to explore their way out of those strict views. especially in the early years. i’ve often seen them jump straight into spaces meant to be safe for people who’ve had not great experiances with the topic, especially women. and press other people to do all the work, explain things to them and navigate their often* harsh language. and i get it. when you’ve only ever been allowed to express 3 levels of the same emotion, it’s gonna be rough sorting that out.

it’s going to be on people who have worked their way through that mind set to make those places for kids to start the process. most importantly, people who share their experiance and perspective. yes folls like me can and really need to come in there and talk openly. but my own experiance is never going to line up in a way that will connect with those kids. even when i look exactly like our experiance should line up.

…if theres more spelling mistakes then there are more spelling mistakes. fuck it thats too much text for a phone

trump voters don’t make any* deflections on who they are. the cruelty IS what they vote for. it’s not gonna break the republican party, it’s what they’ve been asking for. Trump just tapped into it. can’t do anything about those fuckers and trying isnt worth it.

I want to look at the people who just sat this round out because it wasn’t exciting and wouldnt really harm them. going back to “this isnt who we are” as a culture and pleading with them is not gonna work.

it’s literally what mega just got done doing.

the neat part is now we get both genocides.

been a little busy up to this morning trying to talk friends and family on the left into participating in the thing. my plan didn’t work. the protest voters and unmotivated who wont be harmed by any of this won. congrats. now we still* have to do all the plans too? no plan for after the protest votes got dreamed up? i’m shocked. i’ll be busy for the next few weeks now talking my queer friends and family out of their very real panic and making sure their mental health is ok. then theres still a perfectly good political party sitting there i’d like to get back to hijacking please. it’s right fucking there. why do we all keep acting like we need to burn it down and start over. just take their toys.

well this sure showed the dems didn’t it. sure there’ll be some acceptable losses under trump. but thats ok if get the chance to do what exactly? watch the genocide get less media attention as it continues? watch violent crackdowns on any protests? make a convincing graph showing the increase in queer kids not doing the alive thing anymore? whats the grand plan? bitch about the dems in the mid* terms if they still happen?

they did though? this wasnt a room full of people still amped up becauee they’d just learned about the spanish civil war, or that anarchism isnt random acts of chaos. the party i attended was a room full of people who understood the electoral college well enough to make their own bingo style drinking game from it. we all got printed game sheets when we arrived. people who’d not voted for nader because they knew the price of that. everybody though the corpo democrats would show up. they thought a lot of republicans would vote for the overqualified lady who didnt smile enough inside that private voting booth when none of their friends could see. they all thought we were done with the klan until they watched an actual klansman winning. the fucking klansman is right there running again, we already watch how this thing goes.

got invited to a 2016 watch party my a political junky friend. room full of people talking about how awesome it was that hillary would just win so they got to pick their dream 3rd party and make a statement with their vote. i didn’t even stay to watch my state get called. they were crushed by the realization that so many people were in fact exactly who they’d said they are. couldnt watch them experiance that, couldn’t find any sympathy to offer them.

yes, and. lets not forget this discussion is happening on lemmy. this place is just autistic as fuck. even those of us autist around here who are straight tend to be the ones who find most other straight people obnoxious. we’ve self sorted into an audiance that, as another comment hilariously points out. most of us probably know a genx neckbeard linux user who used to be really gumpy. but she’s pretty chill and happy now.

because being excited about a new hobby isnt cool. actually starting a new hobby is an insult to all the people who’d been real fans of the hobby before you. this is the internet.

this is how i see other sysadmins when they explain their 30yr old bash script that does everything.