DigitalDilemma

Stolen? The employees were paid, weren’t they?

Good answer. Like a michelin chef working at McDonald’s and having a little secret area of his own.

That sounds like hell.

Sharing filesystems could be useful, I can see that.

I do that with target dev platforms anyway, using things like NFS, samba and sftp, but I do see that it could work well for this.

I too do that, working from a windows vm and writing code for linux - but I push it to a linux vm for testing. Never occurred to me to use WSL and have another environment to configure and maintain for dev that’s different to the target one.

But fair play if that suits you! Each to their own, and I’m sure I do things that make no sense to others.

Thanks - I can kind of see that, as docker on windows is majorly broken. I think I’d just run it in a linux vm, as I do with most of my developing, but I can see some might not want that overhead.

I do know what it is, I just don’t know why you’d use it instead of proper linux, or a vm.

I still don’t know what WSL is for.

Good answer, and some good points.

My analogy is not perfect, but I think there are parralels. People are currently trying to shoe-horn AI into things where it’s never going to work well, and that’s resulting in a lot of stupid and a lot of justifiable anger towards it.

But alongside that, it is also finding genuinely useful places, and it is not going to go away. Give it a few more years and it’ll settle down into something we rely on daily. Just as we did with electronic calculators. The internet. Smartphones. Everything since the Spinning Jenny has had a huge pressure against it because it’s new and different and people are scared it’ll negatively affect them, but things change and new things get adopted into the everyday. Personally I find it exciting to be alive during such a time of genuine invention and improvement.

Fair enough - it’s not the most concrete of comparisons and those are good points, but I do feel there is an amplification of ludditism around AI just because it’s new.

Hah! I had a calculator watch too - and I’m certain it got me my first girlfriend when I was 11!

You’re right about that exact argument being used widely, I certainly was told I’d never have a calculator with me. Little did they know.

I went to school in the 1980s. That was the time that calculators were first used in class and there was a similar outcry about how children shouldn’t be allowed to use them, that they should use mental arithmetic or even abacuses.

Sounds pretty ridiculous now, and I think this current problem will sound just as silly in 10 or 20 years.

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Fuck this project, but… their source code can be free and open source even if they distribute binaries which aren’t.

An example of how this didn’t work for one project. (From memory, and it was a long time ago - 2005/2008 ish)

Xchat was once the best IRC client for Windows (after Mirc). It was free software, but the developer started charging for the Windows builds of it. Linux binaries were still free, but he claimed that it was time consuming to build on Windows and etc etc (A bit rich considering it was mostly his code - and there were suspicions he made it deliberately so)

Some people were pretty pissed off about this, especially as it used some other code that was foss and it was felt against the spirit.

Anyway, it was cloned into Hexchat which is fully free on all platforms and apparently not so difficult to build binaries after all.

15 years later to today, Hexchat is thriving and Xchat has been completely dead for 15 years.

I was curious so I took a closer look at Sheltermanager and, honestly, I’m very impressed. They have a free demo on their site so you can show it off to people and see if there’s any interest.

And agree, self-hosting doesn’t sound like it would suit them or you, but you asked in an opensource thread and that is nearly always self-hosted. SM looks quite fairly priced for a hosted solution.

That’s their decision, but it’s very unlikely. Like much bespoke software that’s evolved over a long time, it was a pretty messy codebase, and also mostly in perl and was entirely written to their exact needs. It worked because of me, which was a curse because they were unable to find another person to support it after I left.

It’s a shame that doesn’t exist yet. I was in your position for a horse charity 25 years ago and couldn’t find anything either. I ended up writing them such a system, which grew and grew. Sadly it was owned by them and replaced a couple of years ago.

Is sheltermanager not suitable for self hosting? They claim to be open source

Still the linux sysadmin’s language of choice!

Laughs in perl