subversive_dev

Well, being on .ml myself I would probably have the worst visibility on that but when I have seen people actually look at the mod log, it generally doesn’t agree with the posters claimed rationale for the ban

From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though… Commonly people’s summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post

I can’t speak for the other Lefties on here but I’m a Western citizen and former proud Liberal persuaded by arguments on this very website

Removed by mod

Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?

One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don’t agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?

Sigh… Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I’m against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in “The West”. I’m against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I’m against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I’m against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.

Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy “radicalized” me?

Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes

Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime

If you don’t want to hear about billionaires, I invite you to try… billionaire controlled media! You will find they are scarcely mentioned at all, except to glorify the accomplishments of individual billionaires, with no consideration of class structure or generational privilege

Yes.

Socialception

When she stares in the camera without speaking like “you can’t believe this guy either, right?”

So…you are tacitly admitting that the “lesser of two evils” trick will always work on you?

explain how your political process can flourish

I don’t recall proposing a political process. I’ll engage with the strawman anyway. If I was president of this wretched hellscape, The bare minimum policies to start would be:

Electoral reform, labor reform, UBI, criminal justice reform, tax reform (wealth tax, inheritance tax, national property tax, tax on financial transactions), corporate death penalty, presumptive liability for corporate executives, bring the military and police to heel.

something wildly unlikely

Uhh, sure, it is going to be very difficult to change the power structures in the United States that are entrenched into every facet of life and constantly propagandized through the media. I guess we should just give up and spend all our time fellating the ruling class.

I can meet you there

Elections serve the function of capturing political energy and diverting it away from addressing any real issues. Has it escaped your notice that all candidates are completely subservient to the ruling class?

Every year the concentration of wealth grows. Every day, the USA continues to prop up a genocide. Every year true revolutionaries are quietly murdered, then memory-holed.

I’m personally not saying “don’t vote” - on balance, I think it’s worth exercising that minute degree of autonomy. What I am saying is: “Don’t expect voting to affect real change, when the rolling class has complete control over candidate selection”

I would like to flip this argument on its head. If the right wing is putting up a sufficiently fascist candidate, does that mean you will broker no criticism of the less right wing candidate? They can just keep playing that trick on you forever?

Perfect response.

I would just like to add:

I think what the USian liberals on here are missing is perspective. I think they have a worldview where the election is all that matters, so any whiff of dissent MUST mean the “tankies” are out to make the blue team lose.

Liberals, do you really think undecided voters in swing states are making voting decisions based on political threads on Lemmy?

If you truly want to understand instead of just downvote and run, try and mentally transpose this situation onto the British empire 100+ years ago. Sure, there are elections, but the grinding bloodthirsty machine of empire proceeds apace with no regard to the election before or after. Sure, one party is worse, that’s the literal manipulative trap of first past the post.

When we look at this world, there is one nation that has been terrorizing the world for over 70 years. Unless you are very naive, you shouldn’t expect compliant national media to give a balanced portrait of this history.

We’re not going to stop talking about the bloodshed and the empire and the propaganda until it has been burned to the ground. You can join the media and intelligence services, and do everything in your power to silence us - or you could consider that perhaps our positions are principled. Perhaps we once believed just like you did, so we see how close you are to piercing the veil of deception.

Or we are all literally paid shills and you don’t have to change any of your beliefs because the United States is a beacon of freedom and justice to the whole world…

Only bad other countries have propaganda, this is a well known fact I learned from my noble national media

Lots of personal attacks coming from the libs ITT. Wonder why?