O’ Lawd they skeered.
O’ Lawd they skeered.
Nonsense? Is the National Endowment for Democracy’s role after the Orange Revolution and before the Euromaidan nonsense?
Oh look, actual Nazis.
Underlining the Endowment’s insidious true nature, in a 1991 Washington Post article boasting of its prowess in overthrowing Communism in Eastern Europe, senior NED official Allen Weinstein acknowledged, “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.” source
Sorry I irritated your cognitive dissonance. Best of luck 🤞
I see you are not fond of citing sources that can be verified. I don’t have such misgivings:
The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin
For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.
The underground bunker, built to replace the destroyed command center in the months after Russia’s invasion, is a secret nerve center of Ukraine’s military.
There is also one more secret: The base is almost fully financed, and partly equipped, by the C.I.A.
“One hundred and ten percent,” Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy, a top intelligence commander, said in an interview at the base.
But the partnership is no wartime creation, nor is Ukraine the only beneficiary.
It took root a decade ago, coming together in fits and starts under three very different U.S. presidents, pushed forward by key individuals who often took daring risks. It has transformed Ukraine, whose intelligence agencies were long seen as thoroughly compromised by Russia, into one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.
The C.I.A.’s partnership in Ukraine can be traced back to two phone calls on the night of Feb. 24, 2014, eight years to the day before Russia’s full-scale invasion.
That’s a lot of cookies 🍪 and Fremdschämen
No doubt Putin and Russia were meddling in Ukraine before 2014; but let’s not pretend NATO and the U.S. did not influence the situation.
I cited the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, to demonstrate that it’s not just the pejorative “tankies” to make the assertion:
The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It’s Not ‘Siding With Putin’ to Admit It.
Some of us are more concerned with human lives than preserving imaginary lines drawn a map.
I fail to see how any of this relates to someone being called a Nazi apologist. You’ve created a straw man that I support Putin’s invasion (even though I stated that I am opposed). Adults with higher level critical thinking understand that one can be opposed to Putin and Russian imperialism, while also being opposed to NATO and western imperialism. Even with my limited IQ of 142, I can avoid the binary fallacy that if Dugin inspired Russian imperialists are the bad guys, then, by default, Ukraine and their western imperialist NATO supporters must be the good guys.
Purely defensive.
If it bleeds, we can keel it.
Kicking the dogs passes the time.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, and I mean no offense, but you just don’t understand; we’re not as moral as we think. 🤔
Then, surely you are aware that American “Shock Therapy” created the conditions that led to the current situation.
Remember the many times Russia tried to join NATO? Probably not.
… and the WMD’s will be found any day now in Iraq General Powell.
I’m not too thick to understand you have no way of knowing the intent of @recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee. I’m not defending Putin’s egregious invasion. But, that doesn’t mean I can’t recognize American imperialism had a hand in it’s provocation.
I can’t find an earlier source. And it’s not accurate:
Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper
In the weeks ahead of Johnson’s April 9 visit, high-level diplomatic talks held in Belarus and Turkey had failed to yield a diplomatic breakthrough, though reports in mid-March indicated that Russian and Ukrainian delegations “made significant progress” toward a 15-point peace deal that would involve Ukraine renouncing its NATO ambitions in exchange for the withdrawal of Moscow’s troops.
Literally repeating US State Dept. talking points.
Cite sources instead of relying on allegory, like this:
Among others, Biden’s CIA director, William J. Burns, has been warning about the provocative effect of NATO expansion on Russia since 1995. That’s when Burns, then a political officer in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, reported to Washington that “hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” source
Then explain what is being inferred.
If you try to infer that the argument of your opponent can be dismissed because of their character, then it is a clear argumentum ad hominem
Try Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti too.