Way to ignore the data kid.

No it is not. Even the one you linked is from a poll. The CDC pulled the original numbers for DGUs because they’re basically impossible to obtain properly and the CDC didn’t like that it didn’t paint guns in a bad light

Here is the study that was requested by the cdc and by Obama…

https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/18319.

This part talks about the study you directly linked, which states that respondents were not ansed specifically about defensive gun use.

On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/18319.

So no, it’s not, it’s also lacking heavily in studies…and as I said why one of reasons the CDC pulled the numbers.

Didn’t have a strong enough roof for a SAM system…

Always loved that archer got the noise right in the show…mawp

No …no it doesn’t. These studies are stupid levels of flawed. Not all crimes are reported to the police where nothing happened. Most DGUs no shot is fired, but they don’t get counted because they’re not reported.

The studies that try and show that a gun in the home is more dangerous use suicide statistics as well, which is like saying you’re more likely to drown in a pool if you own one…which the answer is “no shit”.

See if you can find yourself a group with operation blazing sword. Whatever you do, LGS usually have just FUDDs who want to talk how turnip daddy is going to make everything like it was back in the 50s again…most of the sane ass people who are into owning and shooting are online now (there are still a shit ton of magats but just avoid those places). It also helps if you can find a group that has a private range, it’ll make it a lot easier to setup times to go enjoy shooting.

I don’t think that it’s rare, I think the majority that survive in that environment are rare and most quit because of the stress. Go over to the /medical subs and you will see the level of frustration these guys who spent their lives becoming drs/surgeons deal with because of insurance companies.

$100 says she barely takes that thing past 100 yards…good luck hitting a drone 400+ yards from you moving at 60mph.

Sounds like you have an agenda to protect your own gun fetish and are ignoring or twisting data that doesn’t suit your own needs. A quick review of your postings and your talking about ammunition calibers confirms it. I think putting your gun fetish above the lives of children is one of the most pathetic and unmanly things I have ever seen. But you do you, tough guy. I bet you have a picture of yourself holding a gun somewhere in your bedroom, don’t you.

So I provide proof that the data is bad and misconstrued…and the best you can do is make personal attacks?

Here’s the raw data of all shootings in the US. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org

That’s literally where I got the data from champ.

And here’s an article that talks about reviewing that data https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Which again, reviews the data in a biased way…

Which drops your complaints about the data right into the trash where they belong.

Except it doesn’t. Literally provided two random links from the GVA that are labeled AS school shootings…

You really need to think again about doing the hard things to protect your community instead of putting your own ego first.

Like making sure minorities aren’t lacking in force multipliers? And not wanting to strip them of their right to protect themselves?

One of those hard things is maybe not being such a gun nut when our oversized gun ownership patterns lead to oversized gun violence problems.

Yea we really don’t have a gun problem, we have a societal one. Which trying to remove guns from people is just going to disarm the law abiding ones and allow the criminals and gov/police to have the force.

Get off your arse, grow up ( I see you like to talk about video game cards as well) and get to work.

Lol you really went through my profile a ton their chief. I have been in my career for nearly 2 decades. Am the lead architect at global IT security company. Video games are what childish now? Lol

You might have kids someday and by then it’ll be too late to clean up your manchild-made mess.

You’re literally talking to someone with children.

I know you’re kidding but…

SCC Student Hurt After Dropping Firearm

And this

https://www.wtok.com/2024/12/03/mcc-campus-police-investigate-tuesday-morning-shooting/

The person who was shot is a student at MCC, but it is unknown if they were on campus to attend class.

MCC Police say this is a targeted attack and there is no danger to the public.

But yea totally a school shooting… it’s bad data like this is the reason most people ignore these bullshit headlines.

The health insurance companies removing ceo names from their webpages just screams principal skinner meme…they really don’t get why people are happy this happened. They’re literally that out of touch

I have a feeling the popo might be on the side of the shooter more than you think… remember they are using the same shit health insurance we do.

That too. Plus if someone is in their car, windows up, radio on. They’re not hearing that shit.

Ah, fair enough, and yes you’re correct. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell it apart when at a distance and not seeing an actual firearm produce the sound.

Depends…22lr with sub rounds. Sure. .45? No. Suppressors help with noise reduction but do not eliminate it to were you can not use ear pro. Caliber matters greatly, but %100 the pistol used in this being a 9mm was not as quiet as someone clapping their hands.

Security teams are not the secret service though. No way some body guard is going to take a bullet for a ceo. If this keeps up, you will see copycats and I doubt security teams will be much of a deterrent.

True, I just see pro-life people as all forms as illegal. Where as limited to me is still pro-choice because that phrasing could mean people who agree that 3rd trimester shouldn’t be allowed type of opinion, as they do in most of the EU.

Im reading this one.

Democrats’ Views on Legality of Abortion, 1975-2024

Which has abortion illegal as 3%.

So…3%…still higher than I expected

There is probably 1% of dems who are pro-life. The mass majority is pro-choice. This is like saying people who vote repubs are anti-gun. Dems have had a ton of chances to solidify it into law, which is way harder to remove.