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  • Socsa@sh.itjust.workstoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldIt's super simple...
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    4 months ago

    I’m not sure which part of my comment you believe suggests Israel is acting appropriately in Gaza. I am directly addressing this recent trend of merging the real and valid criticism of Israel, with some unfortunately loaded language which supporters of Israeli violence exploit to minimize said criticism.

    It’s absolutely insane that merely saying “hey, your criticism is valid enough that you don’t need to merge your language with neo nazis” is even the slightest bit controversial.


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    That is one usage of the term. The more common and liberal (and historic) terminology is precisely to make a multicultural state which is accommodating and or safe for Jewish people, which is closer to what Israel has been pre Netanyahu.

    For what it’s worth, I tend to agree that Israel is something like the original sin of the conceptual post war nation state. But again, that cat is not going back into that bag. My point is not that Israel is without sins, it is that anti-Zionism comes with a significant amount of linguistic baggage which more precise langue avoids. It is far more productive to articulate the specific behaviors of modern Israel which one finds unacceptable, rather than to dive into this specific linguistic battle.






  • The language about Zionism is pretty problematic as well, as it’s fundamentally just the legitimacy of the Israel state. That ship has sailed, and attempting to dismantle Israel is not going to create peace. Getting serious about forcing Israel to abide by international laws is the path forward. Implying the state is illegitimate and borrowing extremist nomenclature from neonazis is not.


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    So many people seem legitimately confused by what zionism is. At its core it is simply the legitimacy of the Israeli state. Only the most radical versions contain the violent expansionist ideals. But there’s a reason the only people ranting about it in such an unqualified way this time last year were white supremacists. Because without qualification, the implication is dismantlement of the Israeli state, which would do absolutely nothing to stop the cycle of violence. It is difficult to imagine that this is a good faith argument from anyone who is seriously engaged with fundamental geopolitics.

    Unfortunately I fear that this is a perfect example of linguistic subterfuge, where serious bad actors have injected this language into otherwise well meaning causes, and I would implore those who seriously seek justice for Palestine to avoid this particular vocabulary.