This is the way. The constant bickering over the concept of “liberal” vs “actual left” is as exhausting as it is mostly futile.

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Sure but demoncrats are having post birth abortions and controlling hurricanes and rigging elections and causing my taco bell dinner to cost more! So what’s the problem with stopping blue haired nymphos from killing babies?

-The average conservative voter

Turns out you can get away with a lot of blatantly evil things if you just convince your entire voter base that the only reliable news source is a Republican owned “entertainment” propaganda outlet

A “boys club” scandal a couple years ago where the male higher-ups only hired women who would tolerate being sexually abused. Some ex-employees described it as “company culture” that propagated for a decade or more. There was an investigation after some women spoke out that led to a lawsuit, several top level managers being fired, and a couple CEOs being scrutinized really hard.

All of this is off the top of my head and maybe somewhat inaccurate, but that’s the gist of it.

Edit: Here’s an article for you

Assuming bad faith over anyone who disagrees with you

libs are so cruel and violent

This is what leftist lemmy actually is. Voices of reason being underscored by the very same bad faith assumptions from a “morally superior” position.

All so you can feel better about the fact that people with your moral standing have zero power here while the rest of us actually try to keep this country from going tits up.

Do you honestly think the people you label as libs want genocide?

Welcome to sugarfoots, sugarfoot

I like the “formally” vs “formerly” suggesting Elon is never going to get away from Twitter in favor of X

Sure, that’s what it is.

Anyway, here’s some reading material for you in the form of relevant discussion backing up most of what I said. You might learn something.

Although something makes me think you won’t come to understand the overall picture mostly by choice, since you seem to be stuck on your hate boner for Biden.

In my experience, it’s the people who accuse other people of having a tenuous grip on reality who tend to be extremely rigid in their own biases and are afraid to challenge them.

So have fun with that. Later.

🙄 Way to miss the point.

Do you understand that it’s possible to hold the belief that what the US is doing with Israel is wrong and also realize that the US can’t independently stop it from happening?

Did you read what I typed or not? The reason the US is still in this is their influence in the middle east. I’m not arguing that corpse-emperor is almighty and correct, I’m saying that geopolitics is a thing.

If we can’t have an actual discussion about this without you putting words in my mouth to paint it like I support that, then I guess this conversation ends here.

I’m not saying they aren’t. I’m saying that taking the moral high ground by relinquishing your vote to choose between a number of leaders because you don’t want to vote for someone “evil” means that you are disqualifying yourself from every major election almost everywhere by default.

That’s an enormously stupid take.

“Blue MAGA” is straight up propaganda. If you think these two parties are alike enough to address democrats like that, you either have an agenda or are woefully uninformed.

By your logic, every leader of a 1st world country for the last several decades is evil.

I have this conversation every single time I open up lemmy these days…

Biden isn’t enabling a genocide. If the US completely stopped sending anything to Israel, Israel would still be conducting this genocide. Netanyahu said so himself. Israel generates its own war supplies and exports its excess.

The only thing that would change is the US would lose the influence it has left in the middle east and some other (likely hostile) nation would scoop up that spot. That’s the real reason the US is still party to this.

Everyone who believes Biden is evil because they think he has a magic genocide-off button on his desk isn’t paying attention.

Aiding the less fortunate in society benefits everyone, same as maintaining roads or building libraries.

For decades republicans have artificially raised the bar for that aid and lowered the aid actually received, for no reason than to appeal to the crowd that thinks taxation is theft but uses modern public amenities anyway.

The rampant cutting of those benefits and handing the rights over to corporations is one of the major reasons we have a nationwide health care crisis, just for one example of how those cuts end up hurting everyone.

The call where Biden urged a ceasefire and Netanyahu completely ignored it? I think you think the US has more power in this situation than they actually do.

Could Israel continue this war without US aid?

The US provides about 1% of Israel’s GDP in military aid and Israel already exports weapons and ammo it doesn’t need. Who would provide American-centric weaponry is irrelevant to the question of whether the war would stop.

To add to that, it literally doesn’t matter who steps in to aid Israel, as the aid itself is less important than the potential ally and the strategic act of robbing the US of influence in the middle east. You think Russia or China wouldn’t stoop to changing their position on a massacre to get a step up politically? Two countries currently hosting genocides of their own?

A magic stop button doesn’t exist for the US. We’re clearly not going to agree on that so this is where our conversation ends. Goodnight.

There’s no magic button that ends this conflict, except the one that lies on Netanyahu’s desk. Israel isn’t dependent on the US in the way that you’re trying to make it sound. If the US pulls away from Israel, it creates a vacuum that US’s adversaries are chomping at the bit to fill.

They won’t suddenly go broke. They won’t suddenly be disarmed. They won’t suddenly decide the war isn’t worth it. They will take money and weapons from other nations who want their influence in the middle east and the only thing that will change is the US losing that influence.

Look, I’m not saying that Biden’s hands are clean either. The US as a governmental body is complicit in this heinous war.

What I am saying is that you are woefully naive if you think a phone call could end this. That phone call already happened. It was international news. Netanyahu laughed in Biden’s face.

All of these things, but still Biden does not directly have the power to end this conflict. Blaming him for it happening as if he’s the one crushing Palestinians under the rubble of their houses is dishonest.

Oh right, the war in Gaza is completely Biden’s fault and not the product of decades of politics coming to a head in a way the US can’t explicitly control. I think I saw Biden out there personally shooting Palestinian children in the face 🙄

We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong

Being self righteous about doing nothing is worse.

Despite your own brand of defeatism in insisting the outcome is the same no matter what, one side actually is better. Even if the metric of “better” pales on the grand scheme of what we deserve or should be doing.

I’m not trying to project self-righteousness by recognizing that there are only two real choices. I’m asserting that advocating non-action or pointless action is such a tired trope that what you’re doing is circlejerking for dopamine instead of applying what little influence you have as an individual to work toward the avoiding the actual worst outcome.

When the American populace as a whole is brainwashed into believing the only choices are red and blue, you have to accept that whining about it and voting green (or not voting) is going to accomplish nothing.

So make your colorful allegory and feel good about yourself on the internet. In the end, you are accomplishing less than the people you look down on who recognize the shitty reality of our situation.