Yes! These charts are not that difficult to understand. Why aren’t they spamming these all over the place?

I bet half of the people still voted for the republican.

That’s the official stance of everybody really.

Unofficially : US doesn’t really want that because that would significantly reduce their diplomatic influence and weapons sales. European nations don’t want it, because of responsibility, it would be expensive and we would end up with a lot of armed nations that don’t really like each other that much.

So, it’s really beneficial for everyone that it stays like it is.

Apparently they are gaining ground in the polls.

You can’t say there isn’t anything to it. But for sure I agree it isn’t the whole story.

Are you a troll or really that stupid?

For sure, I agree. Much respect to chomsky, a great man that influenced a lot of people for good, but I don’t think he would mind a jab from me on this relatively obscure social network 🙂.

For sure. I have much respect for the man and everything he has done. The reason I stopped having him in the highest regard is not that he got some stuff wrong, but that I started taking him as academic in the sense that his view is limited by the direction of his studies. I don’t think he has a deep grasp on how the world works, because he has spent more than half a century preaching the same stuff. I don’t think he is the kind of man, who can step away from his work and say there is more to global politics than American hegemony, if I can exaggerate a bit. The are certain grey areas and paradoxes in the world that chomsky tries to rationalize, but fails to notice how incredibly subjective his academic viewpoint is.

What I resented recently was his comments on Ukraine, where he couldn’t get out of his skin and immediately tried to put invasion of Ukraine into context of American wars. He should have been completely aware that that is exactly what the worst of Russian propagandists are saying. Ok, he is really old now, but Geez.

Anyway, incredible body of work of great importance.

He is making it easy to discredit with comments he made even about Ukraine.

Don’t get me wrong, I still really respect the man, but as I got older, I see him as an academic. I don’t see him as someone who can explain how the world really works.

I really adored chomsky when I was a teen. Is he sort of a teen idol everyone grows out when they get older?

It’s not comparable. This is not just something, it’s a tech we want, have dreamed about since probably ever.

It’s not that simple. Lots of stuff is extremely bad for the environment but we still do them. All of us.

I agree, but I think there is no around this forcing down the throat, slashing people in favour of barely functioning product. Don’t get me wrong, I wish it was done the right and fair way, but realistically no one with any power wants it done in a fair way.

There is a lot of blind hate, because it’s edgy right now to be against.

This thing already is transformational and we can already see a glimpse where it’s going. I think it’s normal that we have a bunch of stupid half products right now. People just have to realise ai is under development and new advancements are coming weekly.

Besides, what are we going to do, not develop it? Just abandon the whole technology? That’s nonsense.

So all your points are “nu-uh”.

You know very well that’s not true as you have contradicted yourself a few times already.

Show me a single product that is even close to being worth the investment.

Are we talking about money now? I thought we were talking about how its all a scam that’s harming humanity.

Where?

Coding, writing, marketing, graphic design, …

Writing boilerplate articles without content for dying news outlets?

Cant you see stuff you are saying? Thats really emotional stuff, its clouding your rationale.

And where are all those great graphic design products? You mean those cool images of Trump riding a laser velociraptor?

Yes, that as well. But mainly small tasks that used to be menial and now they are practically gone. Ideas, retouching, photo manipulations,…

Yes. Also, Metaverse, blockchain, etc. Ever heard of the dotcom bubble? Same pattern.

Thats pretty naive. Dotcom bubble has nothing to do with it. A completely different thing.

Hard doubt. Because the number one virtue of a scientist is to know the limitations of their subject. So either you’re not actually a researcher, or a really bad one.

I don’t care. Plus I already said I’m not a researcher. I work at a company that does ai research.

You are so emotionally charged. I don’t know if its only your hate of AI, or if you want to somehow win over me in this conversation. Its pointless. AI already helps a lot of people in an incredible amount of ways. Some of them were mentioned in the comments. Its not serious to call them scams and I don’t know what else you said. Its not serious. I think its better to end this exchange. I must say I like talking to people with different views, but it has to be in good faith and I don’t see that here with all the generalizations.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t normally do this but lets look at what you wrote in parts.

There’s hardly any application that’s more than a gimmick.

This tech has already irreversibly changed coding, graphic design, marketing, writing, education,…

ChatGPT is an incompetent liar

Its not. Its pretty competent for a technology launched less than 2 years ago. Its the most competent piece of tech by far. (Launched less than 2 years ago) Its not a liar, its hallucinating, which is a big topic of development of this new technology.

Sora and all the image/video generators produce mediocre crap the can’t reasonably controlled

Sora is not even publicly released yet, so I don’t think its fair to criticize. Image generators have already revolutionized graphic design, marketing, art, …

This tech is done.

This tech has barely started.

Why do you think there’s no progress from openai?

There are so many news about AI advancement weakly that I have no idea what you are talking about.

The tech hit a ceiling. LLMs scaled to their current state very quickly, but each increment used exponentially more compute. There’s not enough compute, not enough training data to get better.

Says who? A few influencers? You think companies would be investing hundreds of billions if there is nothing there? Its not only about throwing things in a pot and stirring, there are different ways of organizing the training data. There is synthetic data. There is so much data in the world we will never be out of it.

I’m pretty sure, you don’t understand how models work.

You would be wrong, as I work in AI research. To be frank I don’t work as an llm researcher, but Im close enough to have picked up a few things.

None of them changed the world in any meaningful way - just scams.

AI already changed the world.

AI companies very fundamentally don’t make money, and have no way to become profitable in the near future. None of their tech has any business model. OpenAI relies 100% on Microsoft essentially donating azure instances.

First thing you said that’s actually correct, but I don’t know how that matters to your point.

Sure, AI has its applications, but not hundreds of billions worth of applications.

So it does have applications? I thought it was all scams, lies and mediocre crap,…

99%? Really? Where did you get that percentage?

The tech is awesome already and getting developed extremely fast. Sure, there are many negatives, but many might just be growing pains.

On a wider scale : this is THE tech. This is the direction, it’s is inevitable. Of course it’s important how the development happens, there are many nuances to it. What I don’t like is these blanket hate statements against something. Many people are using ai today and benefiting in personal life and business.

Yes! I’ve also got answers for stuff that would be hard to get to today. It’s already a useful tool as is.

Yeah, but that’s not really going to happen now is it? It’s fair to criticise brands for doing it, but to hate the tech because of it?

It seems, by the comments, that everyone is quite enjoying all that ai has to offer right now. I think if we phrase the question in a good way, everyone is also quite excited to see the development in the future.

Why is it the hype right now to hate ai? Sure, the brands are pushing their half baked products everywhere, but I think this is a part of the journey. Good products can’t happen without it.