The only way to change this decrepit system is to vote in such numbers we flood the voting booths. If Jill Stein or Cornell West have any shot, this is what has to happen to get them in office.
Exactly. You want other parties? Make your state switch to RCV first.
Mathematically First Past The Post always locks up to 2 parties and this can’t be fixed without switching to something else (RCV is best, as it gives you provide your first choice (your favorite small party candidate), but you can also specify 2nd, 3rd etc choices as a backup making sure your vote doesn’t spoil and you won’t get someone you definitively don’t want.
That’s how spoiler effect work (another technique used by Republicans to kill the vote of anyone who otherwise would work against them).
If you want to make 3rd party a real option, push your local politicians to adopt Ranked Choice Voting, like Alaska and Maine did.
Voting for Jill Stein or Cornell West with First Past The Post (current system) has the same effect as not voting at all.
Those people don’t register enough popularity to even be eligible for a debate, there’s a snowball in hell chance of them even winning a single county.
Also Jill Stein was cooperating with Kremlin in 2016 election and helped trump by squashing some votes for Hillary.
Edit: best demonstration how GOP uses 3rd party candidates is this election for spoiler effect.
RFK Jr declared that he was running (I guess that were going that his last name will steal some Democrats). As stats were showing that he actually was pulling trump’s voters away, he just suspended his campaign and of course endorsed trump (hoping that his voters will switch back to him).
Don’t get fooled, until we replace FPTP, 3rd party candidate has mathematically no chance of winning and voting 3rd party is pretty much same as voting for GOP. Whatever you can say about Republicans their party ALWAYS votes on every election (including those smaller every 2 years), and Democrats only win if their base bothers to show up.
Presuming the greenie hasn’t already been told about the spoiler effect enough times to damn well know better by now.
See this is your first mistake.
The collaborators know exactly what they’re doing, don’t waste your breath debating them, just add them to the list with the rest of the collaborators for who to go for first if things have to get violent because of their decisions.
Ok, so voting in mass won’t do a thing? At the moment, more than 50% of registered voters are over 50 years old. With an average life span of 72 years in the US, that’s folks 70% through life, at best on average. Getting everyone 40 or below registered and voting would change the game as we know it. But sorry for trying to game the system…
The Lesson I learned for Dobbs is that we need more elections forfeited to fascists in the name of “they’ll learn their lesson this time guys I swear!”
FTFY.
You’re either a cynically willing or braindead unwitting fascist collaborator, and you’ll get the wall same as the rest if the revolution you’re creaming your jorts for comes to pass you “I know how many bodies are ahead of me in the kill list” fuckass.
Then you end up in prison and get your wish of not being able to vote while not succeeding at changing anything.
Life doesn’t have grand prizes. You can’t just do a revolution and then get everything you want all at once. Progress is incremental. Even for history’s successful violent revolutionaries progress took generations and you’re not one of those.
Jim Crow wasn’t defeated by voting. Progress has always come from struggle. Voting, if it matters at all, is merely a way to decide which enemies we want in power for us to struggle against.
Somehow you have been tricked into believing you can simply vote your way to freedom.
Brown v Board was won in the supreme court. The Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts both only passed because they had enough votes to overcome filibusters. Without a federal government friendly to the civil rights movement the south would have been allowed to continue murdering activists with impunity.
Brown v Board, Civil Rights and Voting Rights, it all only happened because people were in the streets and the country was becoming ungovernable. Again, all elections are for is deciding who we have to struggle against. We win by forcing them to capitulate to our demands, and we do that through mass struggle.
They killed MLK and Malcom X for it, of course, and put people like Angela Davis in jail and forced Assata Shakur to flee the country, but you can hardly say they died without changing anything.
The only way to change this decrepit system is to vote in such numbers we flood the voting booths. If Jill Stein or Cornell West have any shot, this is what has to happen to get them in office.
If Jill stein or Cornell west end up with an appreciable vote size then this country is even more fucked than I thought.
You misspelled “change the voting system from First Past the Post to Ranked Choice”
Exactly. You want other parties? Make your state switch to RCV first.
Mathematically First Past The Post always locks up to 2 parties and this can’t be fixed without switching to something else (RCV is best, as it gives you provide your first choice (your favorite small party candidate), but you can also specify 2nd, 3rd etc choices as a backup making sure your vote doesn’t spoil and you won’t get someone you definitively don’t want.
That’s how spoiler effect work (another technique used by Republicans to kill the vote of anyone who otherwise would work against them).
If you want to make 3rd party a real option, push your local politicians to adopt Ranked Choice Voting, like Alaska and Maine did.
Voting for Jill Stein or Cornell West with First Past The Post (current system) has the same effect as not voting at all.
Those people don’t register enough popularity to even be eligible for a debate, there’s a snowball in hell chance of them even winning a single county.
Also Jill Stein was cooperating with Kremlin in 2016 election and helped trump by squashing some votes for Hillary.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-are-senate-russia-investigators-interested-jill-stein-n831261?cid=par-aff-gray
Edit: best demonstration how GOP uses 3rd party candidates is this election for spoiler effect.
RFK Jr declared that he was running (I guess that were going that his last name will steal some Democrats). As stats were showing that he actually was pulling trump’s voters away, he just suspended his campaign and of course endorsed trump (hoping that his voters will switch back to him).
Don’t get fooled, until we replace FPTP, 3rd party candidate has mathematically no chance of winning and voting 3rd party is pretty much same as voting for GOP. Whatever you can say about Republicans their party ALWAYS votes on every election (including those smaller every 2 years), and Democrats only win if their base bothers to show up.
See this is your first mistake.
The collaborators know exactly what they’re doing, don’t waste your breath debating them, just add them to the list with the rest of the collaborators for who to go for first if things have to get violent because of their decisions.
Ok, so voting in mass won’t do a thing? At the moment, more than 50% of registered voters are over 50 years old. With an average life span of 72 years in the US, that’s folks 70% through life, at best on average. Getting everyone 40 or below registered and voting would change the game as we know it. But sorry for trying to game the system…
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FTFY.
You’re either a cynically willing or braindead unwitting fascist collaborator, and you’ll get the wall same as the rest if the revolution you’re creaming your jorts for comes to pass you “I know how many bodies are ahead of me in the kill list” fuckass.
There is no way to change this system by voting.
We have to take the streets and become ungovernable until our demands are met.
Then you end up in prison and get your wish of not being able to vote while not succeeding at changing anything.
Life doesn’t have grand prizes. You can’t just do a revolution and then get everything you want all at once. Progress is incremental. Even for history’s successful violent revolutionaries progress took generations and you’re not one of those.
Jim Crow wasn’t defeated by voting. Progress has always come from struggle. Voting, if it matters at all, is merely a way to decide which enemies we want in power for us to struggle against.
Somehow you have been tricked into believing you can simply vote your way to freedom.
Brown v Board was won in the supreme court. The Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts both only passed because they had enough votes to overcome filibusters. Without a federal government friendly to the civil rights movement the south would have been allowed to continue murdering activists with impunity.
Brown v Board, Civil Rights and Voting Rights, it all only happened because people were in the streets and the country was becoming ungovernable. Again, all elections are for is deciding who we have to struggle against. We win by forcing them to capitulate to our demands, and we do that through mass struggle.
They killed MLK and Malcom X for it, of course, and put people like Angela Davis in jail and forced Assata Shakur to flee the country, but you can hardly say they died without changing anything.