This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.
This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.
My 2c as a non American: The politically active “far-left” will likely hold their noses & vote for Biden as “damage reduction”.
The non-voters will be the disenfranchised, suppressed and the “non-political”.
Then whatever happens, democrats will blame the “far-left” and talk about how they could have done better if only they’d appealed to some imaginary conservative swing voter who doesn’t exist.
I’ll end up voting for Biden. Not psyched about it, but pragmatically the alternative is so much worse. Might get shit from the ultratankies and hexbros, but I’d rather do damage control than whine about Biden and do nothing while an actual fascist snakes his way back in.
It doesn’t feel good. And it isn’t good. But this is the reality we live in at the moment.
Thank you, comrade. I mean it. 2000 wasn’t like this. 2004 wasn’t like this. 2008 and 2012 weren’t like this. The opposition was cretinous and eager to violate what rights they could, our failure to defeat them in 2000 and 2004 caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, minimum, and is a stain on our soul, but they weren’t a direct threat to democracy itself. More than happy to cheat if they could, but not trying to fundamentally dismantle the system. This? Trump? I don’t know that we would survive a second term - large amounts of ‘us’ and the republic itself.
The vote for the Dem candidate (one hopes not Biden) is essential against fascism.
2000 was like this, the Supreme Court literally passed a law to get Bush to win the presidency.
Why do you feel the need to lie about this?
Did you miss the part about being more than happy to cheat, or did you ignore it?
Oh, sorry, you’re correct, we haven’t had real elections since 2000.
You don’t think cheating in an election, discounting votes, counts as being a threat to democracy? Using the Supreme Court to make a ruling for the sole purpose of making Bush president? That’s more than a threat, that’s a headshot.
If you think that we haven’t had real elections since 2000, why do you say things are different now? This has been ongoing. I don’t see why you feel the need to make a narrative that this is all new.
I think dismantling the ability of the opposition to acquire office or remove the ruling party from office is a existential threat to democracy.
Playing legal games to go against the popular vote and stall a region’s vote is a violation of democracy. Not an existential threat to it.
So unless you’d like to tell me how we haven’t had elections since, I stick by what I said.
There is now legal precedent to do that at any given moment. I’m literally so confused about why you are trying to die on this hill? Republicans have been eating away at voting rights for a long time. If only some people have their votes counted, that’s not a democracy.
Edit: not to mention the persistence of the electoral college, which has already fundamentally destroyed the idea of democracy.
Funny enough, one of the most outrageous parts of that case was that it explicitly did not establish legal precedent for it.
So have we ever been a democracy, in your eyes?
It’s real funny that you’re trying to normalize Trump’s behavior by casting it as just another Republican administration.
Not ha-ha funny.
As an American, let me assure you, there are plenty of swing voters. Altogether too many, honestly. People who are deeply political often spend their time around others who are deeply political, which colors their views significantly.
The Dem tendency to chase the swing voter is real, and counterproductive, but it’s not for an imaginary voter. The issue is that the swing voter they’re trying to appeal to isn’t voting on policy. They’re voting on feelings. So when the Dems move their policy right, they piss off and demoralize large amounts of left-leaning voters, but do only a little to sway swing voters.
This is more perceptive than most things I’ve read on lemmy.